Oz election thread #3 - Rudd's Labour

@msolga,

Personally I'm in favour of taking the Uighur detainees - we already have a community - if they go back to China there is every chance they will face persecution.

Our government is reticent because it doesn't like to offend the Chinese.

I'd like to know what the detainees themselves would like.

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@hingehead,

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Personally I'm in favour of taking the Uighur detainees - we already have a community - if they go back to China there is every chance they will face persecution.

We already have a community of Uighurs in Australia, hinge? I didn't know that. I know (of course) we have heaps of Chinese Australians, but Chinese Muslims are a completely new concept to me. Till this request from Obama's administration I honestly didn't know that they existed. I've read up a bit & have discovered that they are a persecuted minority in their own country.

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Msolga--They are from east Turkestan. I am sure that you are aware that Islam is spread all over the Far East and throughout the main Asian continent.

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@genoves,

China I was not aware of, genoves. And they've been described in the Oz media as "Chinese Muslims".

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Msolga-

Here you are--From Wikipedia-

Geography
Greater Turkestan is subdivided into West (former Soviet Union countries) and East Turkestan (administered as the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of the People's Republic of China). The Tian Shan (Tengri Tagh) and Pamir mountain ranges form the rough division between the two Turkestans.

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@genoves,

Thanks for that, genoves.
" . the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of the People's Republic of China"
Hmmmm ....

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http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2009/06/11/110609_cartoon_moir_gallery__600x353,0.jpg

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http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2009/06/16/1706_jh_cartoon_gallery__566x400,0.jpg

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Oh yes, & some other long-term parliamentarian retired from politics this week, too! Ooops, almost forgot to mention this! Wink

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@msolga,

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2009/06/16/moir17june_gallery__600x347,0.jpg

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@msolga,

I just can't believe he's gone.

I think that, somewhere in some perverse Avalon, he'll lie in a death-like enchanted sleep, awaiting the call.

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@dlowan,

Yes, yes ... always waiting for that call which doesn't come! Poor, poor Peter! He was way too nice to cause conflict & disunity in the Lib ranks! Wink

I have a strong hunch his future lies in Liberal Party organizational/administrative side of things, possibly in Victoria ... you know, number crunching, factional wheeling & dealing, getting guernsies (sp?) for his candidates of choice, back-stabbing the wrong ones .... he'd be right in his element. In fact it would just be business as usual!!! Razz

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@msolga,

Must be a very disappointed man, though...unless he has some inner strength and character which allows him to define himself other than by achieving his political ambitions. I actually feel kind of sad for him...unless he IS ok about what happened.

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@dlowan,

If he really wanted the Lib leadership right now, he'd most likely get it, Deb. I think the prospect just looks a too daunting, too long a slog. And there's that very real possibility he might never become PM, even if he did choose that path. No guarantee he mightn't be challenged as Liberal leader if the polls don't dramatically improve, after a bit. Not quite the same deal as being chosen over Howard, is it? Wink

I'm not sorry for him. I remember Dollar Sweets & his union bashing activities very well. I wouldn't mind his superannuation package, though! Wink

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@dlowan,

I don't feel sorry for him at all. Seven surpluses and still managed to cut education spending until we at the bottom of the OECD nations for spending per capita. Keating was right - Costello and Howard had their hands on the levers in a period of prosperity ... and did nothing with it. What's the legacy? What infrastructure will serve future generations? What laws improved our level of humanity? What actions in foreign affairs raised the esteem to which other nations hold us? Pffft.

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@hingehead,

Well, there is that.

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@hingehead,

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I don't feel sorry for him at all. Seven surpluses and still managed to cut education spending until we at the bottom of the OECD nations for spending per capita. Keating was right - Costello and Howard had their hands on the levers in a period of prosperity ... and did nothing with it. What's the legacy? What infrastructure will serve future generations? What laws improved our level of humanity? What actions in foreign affairs raised the esteem to which other nations hold us? Pffft.

What?!! You're disputing his credentials as whizz bang, super duper Treasurer? To whom we owe so much? Such ingratitude!

Are you some sort of socialist (or, god forbid, even worse! Shocked

) , or something?!

Wink

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@msolga,

What? Like a LIBRUL!!!!!

Eeeeek.

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@dlowan,

Would I suggest such a thing, Deb?! Shocked

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Hey, why so little comment on 'ute-gate'? That senate estimates footage was weird. Godwin is weird. I can't figure out whether it's a liberal plot to discredit labor or a labor plot to make the libs look like their trying to discredit labor.

And then last night's Australian story about the Young Liberal who killed his mother, and his older brother who seemed (to me) to take some delight in his brother's downfall.

On a lighter note the Insiders had a lovely grab of Tanner's question time put down to serial nasty Tony Abbott:

"I thought I told you to stay in the car and bark at strangers."

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