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Oz election thread #3 - Rudd's Labour

 
 
dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 03:45 am
Rudd has been invited to the Deniliquin Ute muster. (lol)


and Julia is coming here... to my town. Her hubby has a local connection.
dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 09:04 am
@Deckland,
Whoa!!!!!!!!!


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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 07:32 pm
@dlowan,
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I thought I heard today on the radio that a lot of the impetus for the bill had COME from decent libs?


Yes, the likes of Judy Moylan (sp?), Petro Georgio & Russell Broadbent have been at this for years! Very passionately & with enormous commitment during the coldest & meanest years of Howard's reign. I can only imagine what sort of reception they received from Howard & co & the Lib inner sanctum during "children overboard", etc. So I have enormous respect for their bravery in those circumstances & for their dogged commitment. Petro Georgio will be a huge loss to federal politics. Really sorry to see him go.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 07:34 pm
@dadpad,
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...Julia is coming here... to my town. Her hubby has a local connection.


So, will she receive a "warm country welcome", or will there be a demo in your town during her visit, dadpad? Wink
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Wilso
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 07:40 pm
This is highlighting what a truly worthless piece of putrid, slime sucking scum John Howard was (and still is).
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 08:08 pm
@Wilso,
Yes, & it appears many of the current Liberal opposition still see things the same way! Rolling Eyes
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jun, 2009 01:34 am
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2009/06/27/270609_cartoon_moir_gallery__600x354.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jun, 2009 01:40 am
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2009/06/26/cartoon270609_gallery__558x400.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jun, 2009 01:56 am
@msolga,
I wonder, if even in his wildest dreams, Kev ever thought the opposition would give his (not exactly perfect!) government such an easy ride?

What do you reckon, a Lib crisis meeting in progress, as I type this?

I'd be very interested about any of your hunches, wild theories, etc, about what's next for the Libs. This farcical state of affairs can't be allowed to just roll on like Topsy, surely?
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 04:52 pm
Surprised, anyone?:

Fake email affair sinks Turnbull's rating
Posted 8 hours 27 minutes ago
Updated 2 hours 26 minutes ago


http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200906/r388793_1816141.jpg
Slammed: It is the first opinion poll since the OzCar scandal erupted. (AAP: Alan Porritt)

Malcolm Turnbull has paid a heavy price over the OzCar fake email affair, with the Opposition Leader's approval rating nosediving in the latest opinion poll.

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Newspoll figures published in today's Australian newspaper shows Mr Turnbull's rating as preferred prime minister has fallen seven points to 18 per cent.

Kevin Rudd's rating has risen to 65 per cent from 57 per cent.


On a two-party preferred basis, the Coalition fell three points to 44 percent, with the Government on 56 per cent.

It is the first opinion poll since the OzCar scandal erupted with Mr Turnbull accusing the Prime Minister of misleading parliament over his relationship with car dealer John Grant.

The attack backfired once the email on which he based the allegations was found to be fake.

A Nielsen poll, published in Fairfax newspapers, has also found Mr Turnbull's standing has slumped.

The poll shows Mr Turnbull's personal approval rating fell 11 percentage points to 32 per cent.

His disapproval rating rose by 13 points to 60 per cent.


The new figures will surprise Mr Rudd, who on Sunday night predicted he would take a hit in the polls because of the OzCar affair...<cont>



http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/29/2610795.htm
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 05:09 pm
@msolga,
From a far distance, but watching this unfold, I can't see any other outcome other than Mr Turnbull resigning. He is "damaged goods."
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 05:19 pm
@msolga,
There are two other polls due out today and tomorrow as well, Galaxy - can't remember the other.

I don't see a credible replacement for Turnbull on the Lib front bench. I remember in the last Beazley reign that I (and a lot of regular commentators) thought that Rudd, Gillard and even Tanner looked like they had the goods for leadership. You look at the libs in opposition and only Hockey looks like he's got the balls to take it on, but he hasn't got the brains. Abbott just makes my skin crawl. They are a party with a dearth of talent right now. That said, Howard had no talent and we were stuck with him for over a decade. They smell. Who's their up and comer? Chris Pyne the human weasel?

As has happened in many countries the party of the left has moved right which means the party of the right is squeezed to the margins and the nutjobs and idealogues are over-represented making it unelectable until the incumbent's mistakes and complacence make it lose an election rather than the opposition winning it.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 05:22 pm
@realjohnboy,
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From a far distance, but watching this unfold, I can't see any other outcome other than Mr Turnbull resigning. He is "damaged goods."


I'd think so, too, rjb, but he has an incredibly thick (teflon? Wink ) skin ... & I doubt he'd "do the right thing" & stand down without a helluva fight! He's like that. Wink
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 05:25 pm
@realjohnboy,
I forgot to say how nice it is to see you here again, rjb! Blast from the past! Very Happy So you're still kinda following Oz politics?
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 05:32 pm
@msolga,
And I would certainly agree with Hingehead. In Aus, as in the US, the middle has been taken over/is being taken over by moderates, marginalizing zealots.
The Libs have a weak stable right now. They may have no choice but to stick with Mr Turnbull, I reckon.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 05:48 pm
@hingehead,
Two more polls today? I guess he's be hoping one of them might be fractinally better than these 2 alreadydy? Grasping at straws.

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I don't see a credible replacement for Turnbull on the Lib front bench.


Apparently we're about to see a reshuffle of the front bench. Wanna make any predictions? Wink

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You look at the libs in opposition and only Hockey looks like he's got the balls to take it on, but he hasn't got the brains. Abbott just makes my skin crawl. They are a party with a dearth of talent right now. That said, Howard had no talent and we were stuck with him for over a decade. They smell. Who's their up and comer? Chris Pyne the human weasel?


Abbott (the mad monk!) appears to be doing most of the talking to the media at the moment. "Defending" Malcolm.(ha!) I don't know what this means. I doubt the electorate would "warm" to him as new leader. I agree with you about Hockey & Pine. Lightweights. The Libs are probably desperately looking for their new, tough man ( Rolling Eyes ) Howard replacement. So back to Abbott,again, hey? Neutral I think they have quite a way to go before they fully recover from the "Howard legacy" & finally move on.

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As has happened in many countries the party of the left has moved right which means the party of the right is squeezed to the margins and the nutjobs and idealogues are over-represented making it unelectable until the incumbent's mistakes and complacence make it lose an election rather than the opposition winning it.


Yep, agree with much of what you're saying, hinge. In Oz politics anyway, it's generally a tired, accident prone incumbent (government) which loses the election, rather than a resounding endorsement for a "fresh, new vision". Wink I'd say that Howard's far right agenda moved Labor far further right than many traditional supporters are comfortable with ... hence the rise of the Greens as an acceptable alternative for the disenchanted left of the party.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 06:00 pm
@realjohnboy,
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And I would certainly agree with Hingehead. In Aus, as in the US, the middle has been taken over/is being taken over by moderates, marginalizing zealots


I'd say pretty safe, right-of centre-moderates, rjb. Wink I'd appreciate a little more "vision".

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The Libs have a weak stable right now. They may have no choice but to stick with Mr Turnbull, I reckon.


They certainly do! I don't know how much longer they'll put up with Turnbull. You might be right, though. Maybe he'll simply be been "put on notice" & told to lift his game while they search around desperately for their new leader? They desperately need new blood. Sad that they're about to lose of of the few genuinely liberal Liberals, with Petro Georgio's retirement. (Consistent champion of asylum seekers.)
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 06:10 pm
Petty's comment on Malcolm's predicament, from today's AGE:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2009/06/28/cartoon290609_gallery__583x400.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 06:15 pm
Moir, from the SMH.
(Come on, Labor, lift your game! Sad ) :


http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2009/06/28/290609editoon_gallery__600x354,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 06:22 pm
.. & Nicholson at The Australian:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6693293,00.jpg
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