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The Bible makes complete sense

 
 
Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 08:40 am
Now that the world is about to end the truth can be told. In fact, this revelation of the truth will cause Armageddon. That's why the book of prophecy is called "Revelation" and "Apocalypse". It's all about this revealing of the truth and how this revelation brings the end of the world, as we know it.

God is the highest level of reality. Infinite Love. Naturally a loving God would want to create someone to love, but would that be enough? What is sorrow? What are compassion, mercy, and all those other emotions? God in His infinite wisdom could reason what it might be like to lose a loved one, but emotions must be felt. A Loving God would have a great desire to gain an understanding of love and would go to great lengths to achieve it. In order to experience many emotions and thereby gain a greater understanding of love, a loving God would have no choice but to create a world of good and evil.

If God creates a creature that is not given the ability to love others that creature will become evil. The creature will also become miserable and will need to be destroyed for its own sake. Evil is the absence of love as darkness is the absence of light. A creature cannot be both good and evil, but God had to find a way for such a creature to exist. The creature needed to contain evil so that God could experience mercy and forgiveness; but in order for there to be mercy and forgiveness, there needed to be a way for the evil to be removed from the creature so that only love would remain and the creature could enjoy life even for an eternity. Yet evil is the absence of love so how could it be removed; and if God creates a creature, He must respect that creature as a separate entity and not modify or use it like a toy.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

With Satan, God created a spirit that was powerful, but without love, and God did this knowing that Satan would become evil. With humans, God created creatures that are weak and inferior at the lowest level of reality, but the humans are given the ability to love. God prefers the humans because God knows that love is necessary for life to be bearable and God knows that love is the true measure of greatness. God established a Law that requires the necessary destruction of evil and this Law was supposedly installed to protect the humans from Satan, but God knew that Satan would use the Law to destroy the humans.

God began the revelation of the Law to humanity with Moses; but the Law existed long before Moses. God established the Law from the beginning and all are subject to the Law, including Satan. Even in the Garden of Eden, Satan could not simply kill the humans since he would be in violation of the Law. Satan uses the Law; but he is not stupid enough to openly violate the Law and he does not possess people. Satan merely brings his spirit of self-centeredness into the world and influences humanity just as air pollution and climate can influence moods and attitudes. Satan does not put sin into us; the sin develops within us and we are responsible for our sins. Satan uses the Law by causing us to sin then demanding the sinner be destroyed according to the Law.

Not only is Satan jealous of humanity, Satan believes that by destroying humanity he has proven that he is right and God is wrong. The Law of God is based on love. Evil Satan is able to live up to the Law because of his powerful will, but loving humans cannot live up to the Law because they are weak and easily manipulated. Satan believes he has shown that power is the true measure of greatness, not love as God claims. Under the Devil's influence violence and survival of the strongest rule the natural world, which is the philosophy of Satan. God knew that Satan would respond in this way, and it creates a situation where God has humans who are both good and evil. Everything is going as planned, but God knew it would since God transcends time.

It should be pointed out that God could not truly experience sorrow for those who die since God transcends time and thus God knows that the departed will have eternal life. This is why God must hide His existence from us so that He can experience the emotion of sorrow through us.

One significant difference between this and traditional views of Satan is that according to this view Satan has not yet been cast out of the spiritual universe called "Heaven". Satan knows that God exists, Satan knows about the Law of God, and Satan through his powerful will is able to avoid openly violating the Law. Satan is egocentric and evil, but he keeps his hatred hidden within himself. Since God is absolute righteousness, God is repulsed by evil; and just as God will not tell a lie, God will not look into a spirit that is completely evil. This is not a limitation on the power of God, but a consequence of the infinite righteousness of God, and it is all part of the plan. The devil remains in Heaven since he has not been caught in a violation of the Law.

Satan expresses hostility towards humanity, but he presents himself as an angel of justice demanding the Law be enforced. Like a prosecuting attorney, Satan demands that humans be destroyed for their sins in accordance with the Law; and he justifies his hostility towards humanity as being entirely motivated by a desire for justice. God in His wisdom has known from the beginning that Satan is a liar, who uses the Law to murder humanity; but Satan lies about his motive and keeps his hatred covered by deceit. Because of His own righteousness, God must prove that Satan has violated the Law; and He must prove it in accordance with the rules He established. In the Old Testament, God is a harsh disciplinarian as He plays along with Satan in order to set a trap.

Since Jesus was without sin, the death of Christ was inconsistent with the Law, and God looked away from the crucifixion. With the face of God turned away, the devil unloaded his hatred on Christ. This is what Jesus feared about the cross. Satan justifies his hatred of humanity claiming it is hatred for the sins of humanity; but the devil has no excuse for his hatred of Christ since Christ is without sin. Jesus witnessed the evil of Satan, but the Law requires two witnesses. This is one reason Satan felt it was safe to unload his hatred on Christ because he knows that God keeps His word. This is also why Satan, to this day, believes he is safe.

Jesus is not a separate God; Jesus is a small piece of God that came into the world. In the end, Jesus will go back to God, and again be one with God. The experiences of Christ will be part of God, and God will then be a second witness against Satan. As this knowledge is distributed, it will come to the attention of Satan that he has been caught. This will result in a battle or a debate between Satan and Michael. An enraged Satan will be cast from Heaven, and this results in Armageddon as the prince of darkness takes his revenge on humanity.

Christ going back to God would require that Christ discard His fleshly body. We can then be given the same opportunity, so that our flesh is also discarded. God would not be modifying us since this modification comes from Christ and Christ is one of us. We are each one person, but we contain a physical body and a spiritual body. The spiritual body comes from God and consists of love. Most people, perhaps all people, do contain the capacity for compassion and mercy; and this comes from the spirit of love within us. Once our spirit is separated from our flesh and judged as a separate person, our spirit will be found to have lived up to the Law. In this way, Christ provides eternal life for all of His children regardless of their religious belief or non-belief.

The most interesting thing about this interpretation of the Bible is the fact that it is completely consistent with the Bible. It reconciles many contradictions in the Bible, and no verse concerning doctrine needs to be discarded or redefined. It reconciles the harsh God of the Old Testament with the merciful Christ of the New. It reconciles alleged contradictions in the Bible like the competing claims that our eternal destination is determined by "free will" and by "predestination"...by "works" and by "grace". God predetermined who would be born with His spirit of love in their hearts, and thus God predetermined who would go to Heaven. We have eternal life not by our works or actions but by the "grace" of Christ, which is to say by the separation of our spirit from our flesh; and Christ gives this freely. Yet we are judged by "works"; our spirit is judged by works on the Day of Judgment and is found worthy of eternal life. This may be revolutionary and not exactly like any interpretation of the Bible after thousands of years and tens of thousands of Bible scholars, but it is completely consistent with every verse in the Bible concern judgment and redemption.

Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.

This interpretation does not require that we accept "substitution" atonement, which is the idea that responsibility for our sins was somehow transferred to Jesus. No amount of theological rhetoric can erase the fact that substitution atonement is not fair. One person should not be punished for the sins of another, but now we can reconcile Biblical statements that God believes in Justice with New Testament claims that we who do not deserve eternal life are given eternal life by the righteousness of Christ. We can even see why God would keep this solution to the Bible secret. God had to hide the truth from His children in order to keep it hidden from Satan. We have eternal life because Jesus discards His flesh and goes back to God; but if Satan knew that Jesus came from God and will return to God, Satan would know that he is doomed, and this had to be kept secret until the end.

You don't need to believe any of this, you only need to believe in the essence of God, which is love. You will have eternal life in a world were we all love each other with a perfect love. This revelation and extensive Biblical support can be found at the following website: Click for Armageddon
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 08:45 am
That God's a real sport isn't he?

And we're just a giant SIMS game apparently.
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 08:50 am
Quote:
The Bible makes complete sense


Order of creation; the first version

1. Heaven and Earth

2. Light (night and day)

3. Sky

4. Plants and flowering trees

5. Sun, moon, and stars

6. Fish and birds

7. Land animals

8. Man and woman

Order of creation; second version

1. Man

2. Plants

3. Birds and land animals

4. Woman

Either way you look at it both contradictory versions are nonsense.

Your Bible doesn't make sense. It's balderdash written by ignorant people.
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 08:54 am
stashlazarus wrote:
Now that the world is about to end the truth can be told.


BTW, can you please tell me how many times in the last 1,900 years this world was suppose to end?

Seems like every generation has some kook waving the "End is Near" sign.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 08:57 am
The identical text can be found at Bill Maher's Forums. Whether this member is the original author, or is doing a copy and paste is irrelevant--we've been spammed. I'm sure no one here will be surprised.
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stashlazarus
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 08:59 am
xingu wrote:
Quote:
The Bible makes complete sense


Order of creation; the first version

1. Heaven and Earth

2. Light (night and day)

3. Sky

4. Plants and flowering trees

5. Sun, moon, and stars

6. Fish and birds

7. Land animals

8. Man and woman

Order of creation; second version

1. Man

2. Plants

3. Birds and land animals

4. Woman

Either way you look at it both contradictory versions are nonsense.

Your Bible doesn't make sense. It's balderdash written by ignorant people.


"George Washington was a good president AND THEN he was a good general"

This is a false statement since Washington was a general before he was a president.

"George Washington was a good president AND he was a good general"

This is not a false statement even though Washington was a general before he was a president since this second statement does not claim to put the conditions in chronological order.

Likewise, if the Bible lists events that occurred, you must try and determined if it is making the claim that the events occurred in that order.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:02 am
what difference does it make anyhow?
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:08 am
Sure, Bible makes perfect sense. So do Smurfs.
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:16 am
stashlazarus wrote:
xingu wrote:
Quote:
The Bible makes complete sense


Order of creation; the first version

1. Heaven and Earth

2. Light (night and day)

3. Sky

4. Plants and flowering trees

5. Sun, moon, and stars

6. Fish and birds

7. Land animals

8. Man and woman

Order of creation; second version

1. Man

2. Plants

3. Birds and land animals

4. Woman

Either way you look at it both contradictory versions are nonsense.

Your Bible doesn't make sense. It's balderdash written by ignorant people.


"George Washington was a good president AND THEN he was a good general"

This is a false statement since Washington was a general before he was a president.

"George Washington was a good president AND he was a good general"

This is not a false statement even though Washington was a general before he was a president since this second statement does not claim to put the conditions in chronological order.

Likewise, if the Bible lists events that occurred, you must try and determined if it is making the claim that the events occurred in that order.


When you look at the first version than yes it is making the claim that it was created in that order.

That order is nonsense.
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Sglass
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:18 am
Quick, I must get to Neiman Marcus and get a supply of my favorite perfume for my journey to the everlasting.
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Chai
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:18 am
Re: The Bible makes complete sense
stashlazarus wrote:
Now that the world is about to end the truth can be told. In fact, this revelation of the truth will cause Armageddon.



Wait, so this post is going to cause Armageddon to start?



I think we need a stricter screening process for our members, like "Are you planning on triggering Armageddon"?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:19 am
One must stretch one's credulity to an extreme to allege that any biblical prophecy was ever realized--and i have no doubt that our boy Stash here is a master at stretched credulity; the evidence is to be found in what he has written here, or has stolen from someone else at Bill Maher's Forums. (While we're on the topic of chronology, the post appears at Maher's Forums before it appears here.)

George Washington was a competent general officer--it is doubtful that it is just to describe him as having been a good general officer. One can easily list quite a few serious errors of military judgment on his part. As a President, he cannot be said to have been brilliant, but neither can one allege that he was mediocre. The fact of the matter is that he was in a unique situation which makes comparisons to anyone else impossible. Whether or not anyone else could have done a better job cannot be known. Washington was a great leader, which is why he continued to serve as the nation's senior general officer while others with aspirations to that post failed (notably, Charles Lee and Horatio Gates); and that is why he had the confidence of the people of the United States to serve two terms as President.

The analogy is feeble. We can know with a fair degree of accuracy what Washington did and did not do. It is only by a process of obscure allusion to events dubiously described as fulfilling biblical prophecy that one can allege the scripture to have been successfully predictive.

In the end, however, we can simply wait for our own lifetimes to know if Stash's bullshit line about the impending end of the world is true. Many of the early cultists described as Christians thought the world would end in the first century of the current era. When that did not occur, they decided that the world would end in the year 1000. That having failed to occur, they fixed on 1500. By 1500 even the Church as it then existed wasn't buying that line of bullshit--Pope Alexander VI (Rodrigo de Borgia) announced a Jubilee celebration, but firmly denied that the world would end in 1500, and events justified him. Most recently, we have been told the world would end in 2000--no such luck for the millennarian crackpots. This is a case for the Missouri objection--show me. I'll believe it only if and when it happens. I'm not worried, though. I have no desire to sit at the feet of a childish and egotistical god, singing his praises for eternity--even less so when the putz would condemn a good man or woman simply because they weren't bible-thumping psalm singers.
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:20 am
xingu wrote:
stashlazarus wrote:
xingu wrote:
Quote:
The Bible makes complete sense


Order of creation; the first version

1. Heaven and Earth

2. Light (night and day)

3. Sky

4. Plants and flowering trees

5. Sun, moon, and stars

6. Fish and birds

7. Land animals

8. Man and woman

Order of creation; second version

1. Man

2. Plants

3. Birds and land animals

4. Woman

Either way you look at it both contradictory versions are nonsense.

Your Bible doesn't make sense. It's balderdash written by ignorant people.


"George Washington was a good president AND THEN he was a good general"

This is a false statement since Washington was a general before he was a president.

"George Washington was a good president AND he was a good general"

This is not a false statement even though Washington was a general before he was a president since this second statement does not claim to put the conditions in chronological order.

Likewise, if the Bible lists events that occurred, you must try and determined if it is making the claim that the events occurred in that order.


When you look at the first version than yes it is making the claim that it was created in that order.

That order is nonsense.


The version in chapter 2 does NOT make that claim. That's why there is no contradiction.

You must withdraw your claim of 'contradiction' unless you can support it.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:22 am
By the way, George Washington became the first Lieutenant General in United States service after the end of his second term as President. Therefore, it is not incorrect to say that he was a good President and then he was a good general. One can quibble on the basis of his skills, but not on the basis of chronology.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:23 am
Setanta wrote:
I'm sure no one here will be surprised.
I, for one, am quite surprised, I have marked my calendar for the last day and plan to be out of town then. It's a long long way to Reno Nevada.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:24 am
I might think that were funny, did i not know that you lack a sense of humor.
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stashlazarus
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:35 am
xingu wrote:
stashlazarus wrote:
xingu wrote:
Quote:
The Bible makes complete sense


Order of creation; the first version

1. Heaven and Earth

2. Light (night and day)

3. Sky

4. Plants and flowering trees

5. Sun, moon, and stars

6. Fish and birds

7. Land animals

8. Man and woman

Order of creation; second version

1. Man

2. Plants

3. Birds and land animals

4. Woman

Either way you look at it both contradictory versions are nonsense.

Your Bible doesn't make sense. It's balderdash written by ignorant people.


"George Washington was a good president AND THEN he was a good general"

This is a false statement since Washington was a general before he was a president.

"George Washington was a good president AND he was a good general"

This is not a false statement even though Washington was a general before he was a president since this second statement does not claim to put the conditions in chronological order.

Likewise, if the Bible lists events that occurred, you must try and determined if it is making the claim that the events occurred in that order.


When you look at the first version than yes it is making the claim that it was created in that order.

That order is nonsense.


Yes, but what about the second version? If the second version doesn't make the claim then there is no contradiction.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:37 am
this thread title made me giggle in a naughty way
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:38 am
In essence, what "real life" and Stash are saying is that whenever there is a contradiction in scripture, one is to discard that version which contradicts the dogmatic version to which they wish to adhere.

I smell **** . . . in fact, i suspect that what i am smelling is bullshit.
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stashlazarus
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:40 am
Setanta wrote:
The identical text can be found at Bill Maher's Forums. Whether this member is the original author, or is doing a copy and paste is irrelevant--we've been spammed. I'm sure no one here will be surprised.


Yeah, sure, that was me.

I respect if you don't believe in God, or whatever you believe. I put out an idea, a new and different way of looking at God and the Bible. If people want to discuss it respectfully, I will do likewise. All I get are ruthless ad hominem attacks as your link shows. It does not matter if I'm talking to Atheist, Evangelicals, Catholics, "Progressive" Christians, Pagans, or whatever. Okay, yes this is a different view of the Bible, and as I see it, your view of the Bible is tainted by the theologies of the traditional religions.

I feel it is a waste of time to respond to the ad hominem attacks, so then my post is label "spam". Oh, what a horrible thought, that anybody should try to look at things from a different perspective.

You're making too big a deal out of the military leadership ability of Washington. It's missing the point.
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