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'More US troop suicides than Iraq casualties'

 
 
Zippo
 
Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2007 04:33 am
America suffers an epidemic of suicides among traumatised army veterans

From The Times
November 15, 2007

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00172/2soldier-385_172571a.jpg

Tom Baldwin in Washington

More American military veterans have been committing suicide than US soldiers have been dying in Iraq, it was claimed yesterday.

At least 6,256 US veterans took their lives in 2005, at an average of 17 a day, according to figures broadcast last night. Former servicemen are more than twice as likely than the rest of the population to commit suicide.


Such statistics compare to the total of 3,863 American military deaths in Iraq since the invasion in 2003 - an average of 2.4 a day, according to the website ICasualties.org.

The rate of suicides among veterans prompted claims that the US was suffering from a 'mental health epidemic' -- often linked to post-traumatic stress.

CBS News claimed that the figures represented the first attempt to conduct a nationwide count of veteran suicides. The tally was reached by collating suicide data from individual states for both veterans and the general population from 1995.

The suicide rate among Americans as a whole was 8.9 per 100,000, but the level among veterans was at least 18.7. That figure rose to a minimum of 22.9 among veterans aged 20 to 24 -- almost four times the nonveteran average for people of the same age.

There are 25 million veterans in the United States, 1.6 million of whom served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

'Not everyone comes home from the war wounded, but the bottom line is nobody comes home unchanged,' said Paul Rieckhoff, a former Marine and founder of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans for America.

CBS quoted the father of a 23-year-old soldier who shot himself in 2005 as suggesting that the military was covering up the scale of the problem. 'Nobody wants to tally it up in the form of a government total,' Mike Bowman said. 'They don't want the true numbers of casualties to really be known.'

Mr Bowman's son, Tim, was an army reservist who patrolled one of the most dangerous places in Baghdad, known as Airport Road. 'His eyes when he came back were just dead. The light wasn't there anymore,' said his mother, Kim Bowman. Eight months later, on Thanksgiving Day, Tim committed suicide.

A separate study published last week shows that US military veterans make up one in four homeless people in America, even though they represent just 11 per cent of the general adult population, and younger soldiers are already trickling into shelters and soup kitchens after completing tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

While it took roughly a decade for the lives of Vietnam veterans to unravel to the point that they started showing up among the homeless, at least 1,500 ex-servicemen from the present wars have already been identified.

The National Alliance to End Homelessness, based the findings of its report on numbers from Veterans Affairs and the Census Bureau. Data from 2005 estimated that 194,254 homeless people on any given night were veterans.

Daniel Akaka, the chairman of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee, said: 'For too many veterans, returning home from battle does not bring an end to conflict. There is no question that action is needed.'

The plight of US veterans is a matter of acute sensitivity for the Bush Administration which has set great store by standing up for -- and support from - US troops. This year General Kevin Kiley, the US Army's Surgeon General, was among senior military officials dismissed for his role in the mistreatment of wounded veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Newspaper revelations about conditions at the Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington became a lightning rod for criticism of the war in general. The outpatient clinic was described as squalid and rat-infested; a maze of red tape left many outpatients -- often with severe brain injuries -- wandering the corridors without help.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2007 01:17 pm
Another reason to have a universal draft. Stop putting the burden of the country's military needs on those who join the military voluntarily.

Every young American should, in my opinion, give some time to the service of his/her country. This wouldn't necessarily mean everyone would be a soldier, since there could be other capacities to serve, in addition to the other branches of the military.

Plus, once there was a more democratic involvement with the military, voters would more likely assure that there were adequate resources for returning veterans.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2007 02:29 pm
THE US military is experiencing a "suicide epidemic" with veterans killing themselves at the rate of 120 a week, according to an investigation by US television network CBS.

At least 6256 US veterans committed suicide in 2005 - an average of 17 a day - the network reported, with veterans overall more than twice as likely to take their own lives as the rest of the general population.

While the suicide rate among the general population was 8.9 per 100,000, the level among veterans was between 18.7 and 20.8 per 100,000.

That figure rose to 22.9 to 31.9 suicides per 100,000 among veterans aged 20 to 24 - almost four times the non-veteran average for the age group.

"Those numbers clearly show an epidemic of mental health problems,'' CBS quoted veterans' rights advocate Paul Sullivan as saying.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2007 02:42 pm
I agree with the universal draft - it's the best way to keep us out of stupid, pointless wars.

Cycloptichorn
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Zippo
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2007 02:47 pm
Quote:
I agree with the universal draft - it's the best way to keep us out of stupid, pointless wars.


How do you figure that, Cyclo ? Smile

I'd only agree with a universal draft IF we wern't fighting pointless wars.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2007 02:49 pm
Zippo wrote:
Quote:
I agree with the universal draft - it's the best way to keep us out of stupid, pointless wars.


How do you figure that, Cyclo ? Smile

I'd only agree with a universal draft IF we wern't fighting pointless wars.


People whose kids could be drafted don't vote to support wars.

Cycloptichorn
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Zippo
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2007 02:57 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Zippo wrote:
Quote:
I agree with the universal draft - it's the best way to keep us out of stupid, pointless wars.


How do you figure that, Cyclo ? Smile

I'd only agree with a universal draft IF we wern't fighting pointless wars.


People whose kids could be drafted don't vote to support wars.

Cycloptichorn


ha ha, good point. Very Happy
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2007 06:42 pm
Could it be a recruitment problem?

I'm only asking.


Quote:
John Brown went off to war to fight on a foreign shore.
His mama sure was proud of him!
He stood straight and tall in his uniform and all.
His mama's face broke out all in a grin.

"Oh son, you look so fine, I'm glad you're a son of mine,
You make me proud to know you hold a gun.
Do what the captain says, lots of medals you will get,
And we'll put them on the wall when you come home."

As that old train pulled out, John's ma began to shout,
Tellin' ev'ryone in the neighborhood:
"That's my son that's about to go, he's a soldier now, you know."
She made well sure her neighbors understood.


I'll omit the rest.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 06:42 pm
Zippo wrote:
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I agree with the universal draft - it's the best way to keep us out of stupid, pointless wars.


How do you figure that, Cyclo ? Smile

I'd only agree with a universal draft IF we wern't fighting pointless wars.


"Pointless" is just a subjective opinion. There were many people that thought the U.S. should stay out of WWII. They thought it was a European war that we shouldn't get involved in. As it turned out, Germany declared war on the U.S., after the U.S. declared war on Japan. It was Pearl Harbor that resulted in our fighting the Axis Powers. Regardless, wars are not "pointless" if one has a reason that one wants a country to get into a war. For example, with Germany obviously a threat to the U.K., there were U.S. citizens, with ties to the U.K., that thought we should get into the war against Germany. And, American Jews knowing of the treatment of Jews in Germany (even before the Final Solution became public), wanted the U.S. to get into the war against Germany. For these two groups, WWII was not pointless.

But, let's just agree, that all wars are pointless for some and not pointless for others.

But, back to the universal draft, it is my opinion that a universal draft makes the U.S. a very formidable force that few countries will want to deal with, since with a universal draft there is little logic to attempting to have U.S. forces either "spread too thin," or "war weary" (like the Iraqi insurgence seems to have been attempting).

Plus, if we really want to prevent any country from using nuclear weapons, having the potential to occupy an aggressor with unlimited boots on the ground may be the one way to prevent a nation, with nuclear weapons, from ever using them.

And lastly, seeing the younger generation in the service of their country, when the popular culture has been proselytizing self-centered thinking for the last few decades, I would be ever so happy.
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