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Iraq WAR was being planned 8 months BEFORE 911

 
 
Zippo
 
Reply Mon 12 Nov, 2007 10:52 am
Treasury Secretary O'Neal says Iraq WAR was being planned 8 months BEFORE Sept. 11, 2001.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWkGhV3PsLo

Buried 60 minutes interview
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 12 Nov, 2007 10:55 am
The Iraq war was planned since 1990.

How old are you?
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Zippo
 
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Reply Mon 12 Nov, 2007 03:13 pm
cjhsa wrote:
The Iraq war was planned since 1990.

How old are you?


Yes...the justification behind it needed the most planning (911)
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 12 Nov, 2007 03:28 pm
Zippo's avatar is actually a picture of himself with his rag removed. Enemy combatant.
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TTH
 
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Reply Mon 12 Nov, 2007 03:34 pm
Hi Zippo
I see you are still at it with this 9/11 thing Very Happy

Oh, you should have added that the terrorists aren't done with us Americans. They still plan on killing as many as possible. It is just a matter of where, when & how imo.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 12 Nov, 2007 08:28 pm
When it was planned is a non-sequitor presently. Now that we have it to deal with, isn't it premature to talk of it in historical terms? Let it play itself out, and in ten years or so, when it is contemporary history, then it will be decided at what point it was planned.

Let's keep our eyes on the bouncing ball, so to speak. And, we'll all sing along together...
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Zippo
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2007 08:04 am
TTH wrote:
Hi Zippo
I see you are still at it with this 9/11 thing Very Happy

Oh, you should have added that the terrorists aren't done with us Americans. They still plan on killing as many as possible. It is just a matter of where, when & how imo.


Hi Smile

About terrorists trying to kill as many as possible : CNN

Thats not your pic, is it? (avatar) Surprised
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Zippo
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2007 08:07 am
cjhsa wrote:
Zippo's avatar is actually a picture of himself with his rag removed. Enemy combatant.


That clown (avatar) is Bush...are you calling him an "Enemy combatant"? Cool
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2007 08:31 am
Zippo wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
Zippo's avatar is actually a picture of himself with his rag removed. Enemy combatant.


That clown (avatar) is Bush...are you calling him an "Enemy combatant"? Cool


No, it's you. Get it?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2007 06:01 pm
Re: Iraq WAR was being planned 8 months BEFORE 911
Zippo wrote:
Treasury Secretary O'Neal says Iraq WAR was being planned 8 months BEFORE Sept. 11, 2001.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWkGhV3PsLo

Buried 60 minutes interview


That would have been december of 2000.
Clinton was President then.
ANY planning involving the military would have had to include him.
Are you saying he was involved in it also?
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2007 07:19 pm
Re: Iraq WAR was being planned 8 months BEFORE 911
mysteryman wrote:
Zippo wrote:
Treasury Secretary O'Neal says Iraq WAR was being planned 8 months BEFORE Sept. 11, 2001.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWkGhV3PsLo

Buried 60 minutes interview


That would have been december of 2000.
Clinton was President then.
ANY planning involving the military would have had to include him.
Are you saying he was involved in it also?




The Project for the New American Century


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02/25/03 -- - The Project for the New American Century, or PNAC, is a Washington-based think tank created in 1997. Above all else, PNAC desires and demands one thing: The establishment of a global American empire to bend the will of all nations. They chafe at the idea that the United States, the last remaining superpower, does not do more by way of economic and military force to bring the rest of the world under the umbrella of a new socio-economic Pax Americana.

The fundamental essence of PNAC's ideology can be found in a White Paper produced in September of 2000 entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century." In it, PNAC outlines what is required of America to create the global empire they envision. According to PNAC, America must:
* Reposition permanently based forces to Southern Europe, Southeast Asia and the Middle East;
* Modernize U.S. forces, including enhancing our fighter aircraft, submarine and surface fleet capabilities;
* Develop and deploy a global missile defense system, and develop a strategic dominance of space;
* Control the "International Commons" of cyberspace;
* Increase defense spending to a minimum of 3.8 percent of gross domestic product, up from the 3 percent currently spent.

Most ominously, this PNAC document described four "Core Missions" for the American military. The two central requirements are for American forces to "fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars," and to "perform the 'constabulary' duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions." Note well that PNAC does not want America to be prepared to fight simultaneous major wars. That is old school. In order to bring this plan to fruition, the military must fight these wars one way or the other to establish American dominance for all to see.

Why is this important? After all, wacky think tanks are a cottage industry in Washington, DC. They are a dime a dozen. In what way does PNAC stand above the other groups that would set American foreign policy if they could? Two events brought PNAC into the mainstream of American government: the disputed election of George W. Bush, and the attacks of September 11th. When Bush assumed the Presidency, the men who created and nurtured the imperial dreams of PNAC became the men who run the Pentagon, the Defense Department and the White House. When the Towers came down, these men saw, at long last, their chance to turn their White Papers into substantive policy.

Vice President Dick Cheney is a founding member of PNAC, along with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz is the ideological father of the group. Bruce Jackson, a PNAC director, served as a Pentagon official for Ronald Reagan before leaving government service to take a leading position with the weapons manufacturer Lockheed Martin.


They tried to get Bill Clinton on board; but it didn't work. They merely waited and appointed a stooge in the presidency seat and set to work to carry out their goals.

The Letter To Clinton from PNAC

People always say 9/11 gave them the excuse; I think they would have carried it out anyway with the same manufactured 'evidence.' to convince people that saddam hussien was stirring up more trouble and building up his weapons and working towards nuclear weapons. None of it was true and they had reason to know it was not true once they set about trying to manufacturing their evidence because there was dissenting views being expressed which was ignored and not talked about. They could have done the whole Iraq war drum campaign even without 9/11; 9/11 just gave them that extra umph they needed.

Prewar Intelligence Ignored, Former C.I.A. Official Says

As far as not talking about this until the war is finished; what a load of nonsense. This was an unneeded war predicated on trumped up evidence. They are attempting to do this again with Iran. They have time to do some harm. Of course we need to talk about this stuff now.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 07:57 am
Being anti-war, pro-peace is all very admirable. However, in a nuclear age, with space as the next frontier (that will be militarized by some nation, one day), the U.S.A. doesn't have the luxury of sitting back like the 19th century and letting the rest of the world go its merry way.

Those who don't appreciate the tenets of the PNAC, talk as though it is malevolent. It was an open blueprint for the maintenace of the U.S.A., in a world that pretends to cooperate.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 08:21 am
Rolling Eyes
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 08:22 am
Being anti-war, pro-peace is all very admirable. However, in a nuclear age, with space as the next frontier (that will be militarized by some nation, one day), the U.S.A. doesn't have the luxury of sitting back like the 19th century and letting the rest of the world go its merry way.

Those who don't appreciate the tenets of the PNAC, talk as though it is malevolent. It was an open blueprint for the maintenace of the U.S.A., in a world that pretends to cooperate.
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 08:37 am
Quote:
Those who don't appreciate the tenets of the PNAC, talk as though it is malevolent.


do you smoke crack?
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 08:52 am
tinygiraffe wrote:
Quote:
Those who don't appreciate the tenets of the PNAC, talk as though it is malevolent.


do you smoke crack?


That's an offensive question.

Since we don't agree on politics, why don't you ignore my posts? It really would be nice.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 09:02 am
tinygiraffe wrote:
[do you smoke crack?


Tiny's looking for another hit....
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 09:25 am
I rolled my eyes because we can't go around the world arranging it for ourselves like a chess board which is what the PNAC is all about; it is malevolent.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 09:26 am
cjhsa wrote:
tinygiraffe wrote:
[do you smoke crack?


Tiny's looking for another hit....


I wish you would; maybe it would relax you a little bit.
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Zippo
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 11:18 am
Good post revel Smile

Foofie do you know this person?

Nothing personal, just wanted to know?
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