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McCain: Iraq Pullout Bad For Israel

Success of peace process linked to war's outcome, GOP White House hopeful tells Presidents Conference.

Former Conference of Presidents chairmen Mortimer Zuckerman, left, and James Tisch with Sen. John McCain at Tuesday's event. Jennifer Weisbord

by Adam Dickter
Assistant Managing Editor

In a message to the majority of American Jews who oppose continued U.S. presence in Iraq, Arizona Sen. John McCain on Tuesday told the community's largest umbrella group that a "surrender" now would harm Israel's security.

"If you believe that the State of Israel is going to be more secure if the U.S. fails in Iraq, we have an honest difference of opinion," McCain told leaders of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.
The presidential candidate, who is lagging in polls behind frontrunner Rudolph Giuliani for the Republican nomination, noted that Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a vehement enemy of Israel, had recently declared an intention to "fill the void" in Iraq following a U.S. withdrawal...

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Memo to Senator McCain: it might be a reasonably decent idea, Senator, to consider what is in the best interests of the American people, rather than in the best interests of Israel.

This continued military misadventure in Iraq is absolutely not in the interests of the American people, nor would be a military attack on Iran.

I am sure that you have heard (or at least someone in your staff has heard) that Russia has stated that an attack on Iran will be considered an attack on Russia: do you seriously want to go to war with Russia?

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McCain: Iraq Pullout Bad For Israel

Success of peace process linked to war's outcome, GOP White House hopeful tells Presidents Conference.

Former Conference of Presidents chairmen Mortimer Zuckerman, left, and James Tisch with Sen. John McCain at Tuesday's event. Jennifer Weisbord

by Adam Dickter
Assistant Managing Editor

In a message to the majority of American Jews who oppose continued U.S. presence in Iraq, Arizona Sen. John McCain on Tuesday told the community's largest umbrella group that a "surrender" now would harm Israel's security.

"If you believe that the State of Israel is going to be more secure if the U.S. fails in Iraq, we have an honest difference of opinion," McCain told leaders of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.
The presidential candidate, who is lagging in polls behind frontrunner Rudolph Giuliani for the Republican nomination, noted that Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a vehement enemy of Israel, had recently declared an intention to "fill the void" in Iraq following a U.S. withdrawal...

...Continued (The Jewish Weekly)

Memo to Senator McCain: it might be a reasonably decent idea, Senator, to consider what is in the best interests of the American people, rather than in the best interests of Israel.

This continued military misadventure in Iraq is absolutely not in the interests of the American people, nor would be a military attack on Iran.

I am sure that you have heard (or at least someone in your staff has heard) that Russia has stated that an attack on Iran will be considered an attack on Russia: do you seriously want to go to war with Russia?

I think the neoconservatives are just trying to "court" the Jewish vote that usually goes to the Democrats.

Zippo, all the Jews can go to another planet tomorrow, and the U.S. will still be doing the same thing in the Middle East. It's all about the American dollar versus the Euro with regard to oil. Israel is just a convenient explanatory enhancement (as to why the U.S. is in Iraq) for the benefit of a 66 million constituency (60 million Evangelical Christians and 6 million Jews).

Since, as you've pointed out, such wealth is in the Jewish community, I believe the respective political parties would like to "harvest" some of that wealth for their respective political party. Israel is the cause celebre for Jewish voters and Evangelical voters.

I wonder why you never make mention of the 60 million Evangelicals in the U.S. that are more pro-Israel than many a secular American Jew? Do you have a particular grudge against Jews?

By the way, I just saw a newspaper science blurb that Neanderthal DNA seems to show traits of having had red hair. You know who is usually depicted with red hair (The Jew in Oliver Twist had red hair. A supposed Jewish trait).

This can really give Jews an historical right to Israel. Now they may have the right to claim Neanderthal ancestry, in addition to Hebrew ancestry. I would think Neanderthals were in the Holy Land before the Palestinians (I don't think many Palestinians have red hair?)

You might have to post some scientific articles refuting the Neanderthal red hair connection.

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Zippo, all the Jews can go to another planet tomorrow, and the U.S. will still be doing the same thing in the Middle East.

Wrong, U.S conflicts/hatred/anti-American terrorism in the M.E started after the creation of Israel

( http://www.zmag.org/shalomhate.htm )

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Do you have a particular grudge against Jews?

Nope, not at all. I'm only against Zionists. Do you know the difference?

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I wonder why you never make mention of the 60 million Evangelicals in the U.S.

Thats a good point. I have posted threads about them too. Actually their much worse then Zionists. I' don't need to inform people about them, because, it's common knowledge, everybody know's about their evil intentions and tend to treat them accordingly. Furthermore, they'd be powerless and useless, once a two state solution is formed within Israel.

Evangelicals together with Zionists want to end the world a.s.a.p. Do you see how dangerous they are?

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Zippo wrote:

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Zippo, all the Jews can go to another planet tomorrow, and the U.S. will still be doing the same thing in the Middle East.

Wrong, U.S conflicts/hatred/anti-American terrorism in the M.E started after the creation of Israel

( http://www.zmag.org/shalomhate.htm )

You're deflecting my point; I said the U.S. will still be in the Middle East. Who hates the U.S. is a non-sequitor to my point.

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Do you have a particular grudge against Jews?

Zippo wrote:

Nope, not at all. I'm only against Zionists. Do you know the difference?

That means you don't believe the State of Israel has ANY right to exist. And why would that be, if that's true?

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I wonder why you never make mention of the 60 million Evangelicals in the U.S.

Zippo wrote:

Thats a good point. I have posted threads about them too. Actually their much worse then Zionists. I' don't need to inform people about them, because, it's common knowledge, everybody know's about their evil intentions and tend to treat them accordingly. Furthermore, they'd be powerless and useless, once a two state solution is formed within Israel.

Evangelicals together with Zionists want to end the world a.s.a.p. Do you see how dangerous they are?

Not at all. There are Evangelicals that want to build the Third Temple where the Dome of the Rock now is. That could start a real war. Israelis are not trying to build the Third Temple. They are mostly trying to live in a country with hostile neighbors. The Evangelicals refer to themselves as Christian Zionists. If you aren't an anti-Semite, you need to include all Zionists, Christian or Jewish. That's my opinion.

Is any part of your political views religiously based, or based on Arab nationalism (e.g., Egypt's Nassar and his pan-Arabism)? What motivates your anti-Zionism? I can't see it as preventing war, since the industrial-military complex that Eisenhower warned of is quite healthy. The U.S. has economic interests that will always take it to the four corners of this planet. And since some of these countries have males under 30 that have little else to do, fighting the U.S. seems like a way to enhance one's self-esteem in a backward society. Not the politically correct thing to say, but truthful.

And, while you may be quite satisfied with a two state solution, I think you are ignoring that there are elements that will always wage war against the State of Israel as a Jewish State. Why do you think having a two state solution will bring peace? I think it will just add one more country to the list of enemies of Israel.

Zippo, Israel's secular ways, high tech economic sector, western style democracy is just too irritating to its neighbors for a multitude of reasons. I don't think there will ever be peace there, unless there is some way to bring an Ataturk style leader to a Palestinian state. The politics and rivalries have just been self-defeating for so long. Why don't you criticize some of that mindset.

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