djalliance wrote:jespah wrote:I think she needs counseling. ....
Think your being a bit far fetched in saying she needs pro help. From what ive read she aint psycotic

or she might be lol And yes some people do need time to recover so there is nothing wrong with binding time.
Psychotic? My, my, far fetched is a good term for that. Psst saying that a person needs professional help does not mean it's believed that they're psychotic. Most folks who get counseling aren't.
marty --
Two years is
plenty. Not to be harsh, but the time's passed. And, the woman (I'll just call her Pam so that I can use a name instead of "the woman") isn't the only personality in this. marty, after all, is entitled to not have to play therapist with Pam. marty, certainly, deserves to not be dragged into this any more.
I see it as there are six (yep) areas.
1) Pam's mental state, whatever it is
2) The mental states of marty and her peers
3) Pam's connection with work
4) marty and her peers' connections with work
5) Pam's connections to those outside of work (such as patients) and, the counterpart,
6) marty and her peers' connections to patients, etc.
1) Pam's mental state, whatever it is - We don't know a lot about Pam's mental state as none of us are doctors or therapists. However, 180 degree turns don't happen out of thin air. There are all sorts of causes -- organic ones like concussion, mild stroke, early Alzheimer's, brain tumor, etc.; mental health type causes like depression or bipolar disorder or the like and of course the grieving process itself (grieving as in for the death of the relationship). Grief can go on for a while but when it goes on for this long, it's time to call in the pros. Same with the other causes I've given. Another, even less pleasant possible cause, is substance abuse. After all, this is a hospital setting so there may be access. Or a connection to someone with access. None of these are wonderful and they all require more than a friend. They require a pro who has seen it all before and will not be dragged down emotionally.
2) The mental states of marty and her peers - marty and her peers are entitled to be friends. They are also entitled to not have to be amateur therapists. They are also entitled to have a good working environment, free of these types of distractions. marty also said, "I feel that if I socialize with her she is going to use any information about me against me. She constantly badmouths people behind their backs and is extremely judgmental." marty's entitled to not have to deal with this kind of stuff. She doesn't have to put herself in the middle of this.
3) Pam's connection with work - With Pam taking charge of situations that are not for her to control, the question arises as to whether that ever translates into errors or lapses in judgment. I am not badmouthing Pam, marty or anyone who works with them. But when work situations get toxic, errors can creep in. Now, if I screw up once, a report is messed up. Not fun but it can be caught. But if I screw up enough times, the budget might be changed. People could be laid off because of my errors, if it came down to that. In a hospital lab situation, you have to think of things like false positives, false negatives and delays (even if the results are accurate). What if one of these causes a disability or a death? Or a preventable injury? You're talking liability for the lab.
4) marty and her peers' connections with work - marty and her peers have jobs, jobs that they want to do. They don't have to get emotionally beat up while doing them. And they aren't in a position to really intervene. But the supervisor is, because this is why the supervisor is paid the big (or at least bigg
er) bucks -- to manage the employees. When an employee (Pam) oversteps, the manager has to move in and get control back. Partly because of liability as I mentioned above, but also because the supervisor needs to be the one in charge. As for the coddling nurse, that's got to stop ASAP. It's not doing anyone any favors. It clouds the issues and, like an enabler in AA, it can make it easier for a person to put off getting help. One has to wonder what the nurse's motivations are.
5) Pam's connections to those outside of work (such as patients) - patients are entitled to accurate, on-time test results. Persons waiting for a cancer or HIV diagnosis, for example, need to start treatment soon -- and treatments for either disease are damaging if a person doesn't actually have the disease. Plus the patients don't need to see any squabbles going on in the lab. They want to see their test results, not a soap opera.
6) marty and her peers' connections to patients, etc. - marty and her peers also owe the patients professional service. That's a lot harder to do if those people are playing at therapist.
Anyway, not to rehash, you know my position. At the very least, the supervisor's got to be clued in, even if you think the supervisor knows it all, mention it anyway as that should (one would hope) spur some action.