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Supine , Supple, Supreme Disgrace

 
 
Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 10:49 am
The Supreme Court exerts leadership over the nation's justice system, not just through its rulings, but also by its choice of cases ?- the ones it agrees to hear and the ones it declines. On Tuesday, it led in exactly the wrong direction.

Somehow, the court could not muster the four votes needed to grant review in the case of an innocent German citizen of Lebanese descent who was kidnapped, detained and tortured in a secret overseas prison as part of the Bush administration's morally, physically and legally abusive anti-terrorism program.
The victim, Khaled el-Masri, was denied justice by lower federal courts, which dismissed his civil suit in a reflexive bow to a flimsy government claim that allowing the case to go forward would put national security secrets at risk.

Those rulings, Mr. Masri's lawyers correctly argued, represented a major distortion of the state secrets doctrine, a rule created by the federal courts that was originally intended to shield specific evidence in a lawsuit filed against the government. It was never designed to dictate dismissal of an entire case before any evidence is produced.

It may well be that one or more justices sensitive to the breathtaking violation of Mr. Masri's rights, and the evident breaking of American law, refrained from voting to accept his case as a matter of strategy. They may have feared a majority ruling by the Roberts court approving the dangerously expansive view of executive authority inherent in the Bush team's habitual invocation of the state secrets privilege. In that case, the justices at least could have commented, or offered a dissent, as has happened when the court abdicated its responsibility to hear at least two other recent cases involving national security issues of this kind.

Mr. Masri says he was picked up while vacationing in Macedonia in late 2003 and flown to a squalid prison in Afghanistan. He says he was questioned there about ties to terrorist groups and was beaten by his captors, some of whom were Americans. At the end of May 2004, Mr. Masri was released in a remote part of Albania without having been charged with a crime. Investigations in Europe and news reports in this country have supported his version of events, and German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice acknowledged privately to her that Mr. Masri's abduction was a mistake, an admission that aides to Ms. Rice have denied. The Masri case, in other words, is being actively discussed all over the world. The only place it cannot be discussed, it seems, is in a United States courtroom.

In effect, the Supreme Court has granted the government immunity for subjecting Mr. Masri to "extraordinary rendition," the morally and legally unsupportable United States practice of transporting foreign nationals to be interrogated in other countries known to use torture and lacking basic legal protections. It's hard to imagine what, at this point, needs to be kept secret, other than the ways in which the administration behaved irresponsibly, and quite possibly illegally, in the Masri case. And Mr. Masri is not the only innocent man kidnapped by American agents and subjected to abuse and torture in a foreign country. He's just the only one whose lawsuit got this far.

This unsatisfactory outcome gives rise to new worries about the current Supreme Court's resolve to perform its crucial oversight role ?- particularly with other cases related to terrorism in the pipeline and last week's disclosure of secret 2005 Justice Department memos authorizing the use of inhumane interrogation methods that just about everyone except the Bush White House thinks of as torture. Instead of a rejection, the Masri case should have occasioned a frank revisiting of the Supreme Court's 1953 ruling in United States v. Reynolds. That case enshrined the state secrets doctrine that this administration has repeatedly relied upon to avoid judicial scrutiny of its lawless actions.

Indeed, the Reynolds case itself is an object lesson in why courts need to apply a healthy degree of skepticism to state secrets claims. The court denied the widows of three civilians, who had died in the crash of a military aircraft, access to the official accident report, blindly accepting the government's assertion that sharing the report would hurt national security. When the documents finally became public just a few years ago, it became clear that the government had lied. The papers contained information embarrassing to the government but nothing to warrant top secret treatment or denying American citizens honest adjudication of their lawsuit.

In refusing to consider Mr. Masri's appeal, the Supreme Court has left an innocent person without any remedy for his wrongful imprisonment and torture. It has damaged America's standing in the world and established the nation as Supreme Enabler of the Bush administration's efforts to avoid accountability for its actions. These are not accomplishments to be proud of.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/opinion/11thu1.html
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 11:46 am
Bush justice is a national disgrace
By John S. Koppel
Article Last Updated: 07/05/2007 11:48:30 PM MDT


As a longtime attorney at the U.S. Department of Justice, I can honestly say that I have never been as ashamed of the department and government that I serve as I am at this time.

The public record now plainly demonstrates that both the DOJ and the government as a whole have been thoroughly politicized in a manner that is inappropriate, unethical and indeed unlawful. The unconscionable commutation of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby's sentence, the misuse of warrantless investigative powers under the Patriot Act and the deplorable treatment of U.S. attorneys all point to an unmistakable pattern of abuse.

In the course of its tenure since the Sept. 11 attacks, the Bush administration has turned the entire government (and the DOJ in particular) into a veritable Augean stable on issues such as civil rights, civil liberties, international law and basic human rights, as well as criminal prosecution and federal employment and contracting practices. It has systematically undermined the rule of law in the name of fighting terrorism, and it has sought to insulate its actions from legislative or judicial scrutiny and accountability by invoking national security at every turn, engaging in persistent fearmongering, routinely impugning the integrity and/or patriotism of its critics, and protecting its own lawbreakers. This is neither normal government conduct nor "politics as usual," but a national disgrace of a magnitude unseen since the days of Watergate - which, in fact, I believe it eclipses.

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_6308408
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Halfback
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:09 pm
So, we are left with a case that will never go to trial, apparently, and so, the truth will never be known. (Whatever "the truth" is these days.) As a result, all the accusations are hearsay and all the disclaimers are equally so. Personally, I would rather have the trial, in camera, if necessary.

Halfback
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:23 pm
Just thought i'd point out to you, once again, Ramafuchs, that your English sucks, but that given your obsessive political ranting, i doubt that you would make any more sense if you were an Oxford Don.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:38 pm
Setanta
I respectfully beg you to ignore my thread if you fieel it like that.
I always read threads and avoid insulting the person who project a subject which is not of my taste.
I had posted here two reliable American source as the subject and I had not used/abused/misused the language of yours.
Thanks.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:42 pm
The title of the thread represents an "abuse" of the English language. As for whether or not you feel insulted when i point out just how badly you speak English, i can only point out that it is your free choice to display your ignorance and ineptitude in the English language, in a venue in which the English language is overwhelmingly the currency of communication. You can expect to have it pointed out to you in such circumstances, and now that i know that you take offense, i have good reason to make a practice of pointing it out to you.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:46 pm
The title has got two additional words from me.
Supine is an adjective which in some context means submitting, lowered, inverted.
And
supple sometimes means servile , dishonoust.
Supreme disgrace is NYT's title.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 02:10 pm
Supple does not mean servile or dishonest (there is a spell-check function at this site, you might profit from learning to use it).

Quote:
sup·ple (spl)
adj. sup·pler, sup·plest
1. Readily bent; pliant.
2. Moving and bending with agility; limber.
3. Yielding or changing readily; compliant or adaptable. See Synonyms at flexible.
tr. & intr.v. sup·pled, sup·pling, sup·ples
To make or become supple.


The source is the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.

Quote:
su·pine (s-pn, spn)
adj.
1. Lying on the back or having the face upward.
2. Having the palm upward. Used of the hand.
3. Marked by or showing lethargy, passivity, or blameworthy indifference. See Synonyms at inactive.
4. Inclined; sloping.


Same source--your claim about the definition of supine is almost as suspect.

As i pointed out, you don't speak English worth a damn.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 02:17 pm
Ok .
Thanks for your erudite enlightenment about the useage of two faulty words which I had added in the title.
How about repudiating or justifying the subject of this thread.
Pour forth your views please.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 02:34 pm
I am in no position to either repudiate or justify the allegations embodied in the article you quoted--i don't possess any certain knowledge that what happened happened in the manner alleged, nor do i know for a fact that the individual described was or was not "innocent," and whether or not that was known at the time he was allegedly kidnapped. Additionally, i derive greater pleasure from ridiculing your butchery of the English language than in being sucked into your political ranting.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 03:30 pm
butchery of the English language
Is your way and not my way sorry..


su·pine (sū-pīn', sū'pīn') pronunciation
adj.

1. Lying on the back or having the face upward.
2. Having the palm upward. Used of the hand.
3. Marked by or showing lethargy, passivity, or blameworthy indifference. See synonyms at inactive.
4. Inclined; sloping..
Since you wish to project your intellectual views,
I once again beg you to ignore my views
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 03:37 pm
Yes, you are sorry . . . and you should apologize, for being sorry, and for consistently butchering the English language.

You may beg to your heart's content. I will continue to reserve the right to ridicule your use of English.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 03:41 pm
My language is globalized one .
Like MLK
Gandhi
Mother theresa
Karl Marx
Nelson.
I wil.l expose my ignorance with befitting quotes.
Await
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 04:27 pm
Nelson?

Horatio Nelson? The English naval hero? He was a very vulgar man, you should think more carefully about that one.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 05:07 pm
The subject here is something else
to expose the hypocracy of LAW
I will be much obliged to you if- only if- you have any opinion about this subject.
Otherwise I beg once again with all respect to ignore my thread and allow others to use their freedom
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