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Mexican Flag Flown Above US Flag

 
 
cjhsa
 
Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 07:59 am
See what happens...

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7156726
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 08:36 am
While the flags are clearly flown incorrectly here, I don't know why the article says this is illegal unless this is a state situation. Here is the link to the Federal governing document. A quote from that document:
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On the national level the Federal Flag Code1 provides uniform guidelines for the display of and respect shown to the flag. In addition to the Code, Congress has by statute designated the national anthem and set out the proper conduct during its presentation.2 The Code is designed "for the use of such civilian groups or organizations as may not be required to conform with regulations promulgated by one or more executive departments" of the federal government.3 Thus, the Flag Code
does not prescribe any penalties for non-compliance nor does it include enforcement provisions; rather the Code functions simply as a guide to be voluntarily followed by civilians and civilian groups.

Another quote on legal ramifications...
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In addition to the Flag Code, a separate provision contained in the Federal Criminal Code established criminal penalties for certain treatment of the flag.6 Prior to 1989, this provision provided criminal penalties for certain acts of desecration to the flag. In response to the Supreme Court decision in Texas v. Johnson7 (which held that anti-desecration statutes are unconstitutional if aimed at suppressing one type of expression), Congress enacted the Flag Protection Act of 1989 to provide criminal penalties for certain acts which violate the physical integrity of the flag.8 This law imposed a fine and/or up to one year in prison for knowingly mutilating, defacing, physically defiling, maintaining on the floor, or trampling upon any flag of the United States. In 1990, however, the Supreme Court held that the Flag Protection Act was
unconstitutional as applied to a burning of the flag in a public protest.9
All the states, at one time or another, have enacted laws relating to the United States flag.10 Even though the Federal Flag Code does not provide penalties for certain conduct or may not govern certain practices, state law may do so. Therefore, it is advisable to consider applicable provisions of state law, as well as federal law, on questions of proper use of the flag.

If the flags were flown this way as a political statement, I think it ends up as protected speech. It is also likely that they were flown this way mistakenly. I think a business boycott would be much more effective than a vigilante attack on private property.
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 08:46 am
Nevada law:

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NRS 201.290 Penalty; exception.

1. Any person who, in any manner, for exhibition or display, puts or causes to be placed any inscription, design, device, symbol, portrait, name, advertisement, words, character, marks or notice, or sets or places any goods, wares and merchandise whatever upon any flag or ensign of the United States, or state flag of this State, or ensign, evidently purporting to be either of the flags or ensign, or who in any manner appends, annexes, or affixes to any such flag or ensign any inscription, design, device, symbol, portrait, name, advertisement, words, marks, notice or token whatever, or who displays or exhibits or causes to be displayed or exhibited any flag or ensign, evidently purporting to be either of the flags, upon which shall in any manner be put, attached, annexed or affixed any inscription, design, device, symbol, portrait, name, advertisement, words, marks, notice or token whatever, or who publicly or willfully mutilates, tramples upon, or who tears down or willfully and maliciously removes while owned by others, or defames, slanders, or speaks evilly or in a contemptuous manner of or otherwise defaces or defiles any of the flags, or ensign, which are public or private property, shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor.

2. This section shall not apply to flags or ensigns the property of or used in the service of the United States or of this State, upon which inscriptions, names of actions, words, marks or symbols are placed pursuant to law or authorized regulations.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 09:07 am
The United States Flag: Federal Law Relating to Display and Associated Questions

§ 7. Position and Manner of Display.

(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the
right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services
conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown
above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person
shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international
flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to or in place
of the flag of the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided,
That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice
heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of
superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal
prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the
headquarters of the United Nations.

(g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from
separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal
size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that
of another nation in time of peace.

The wording of § 7(g) is identical to that of the original Flag Code enacted in
1942.42 The second sentence of § 7(c) prohibiting flying international flags equal in
height to the flag of the United States was not in the original Flag Code. This
provision was added in 1953.43 The legislative history of this amendment clearly
states that is purpose was to "make it an offense against the United States to display
the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal to,
above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of
the United States at any place within the United States or any possession or territory
thereof,...."44 The only exception recognized is at the headquarters of the United
Nations.
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 09:11 am
I didn't say the display was correct, only that it's not illegal. Paragraph three says...
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3 Thus, the Flag Code does not prescribe any penalties for non-compliance nor does it include enforcement provisions; rather the Code functions simply as a guide to be voluntarily followed by civilians and civilian groups.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 09:24 am
engineer wrote:
I didn't say the display was correct, only that it's not illegal. Paragraph three says...
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3 Thus, the Flag Code does not prescribe any penalties for non-compliance nor does it include enforcement provisions; rather the Code functions simply as a guide to be voluntarily followed by civilians and civilian groups.


Why are you making excuses for this activity?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 09:41 am
Re: Mexican Flag Flown Above US Flag
cjhsa wrote:

Dead link. What does happen?
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 09:42 am
Once upon a time, right thinking Republicans and Democrats both would say something to the effect of "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." As someone who performed in a military color guard for three years, I like to see the flag used properly, but I do not condone physical attacks on those whose speech I disagree with. Nor do I support attacks on their property. If you want to stage a flag waving picket of this business, great. If you want to form a mob and tear down his flag post, sorry I disagree.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 09:47 am
engineer wrote:
Once upon a time, right thinking Republicans and Democrats both would say something to the effect of "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Isn't that the position of the ACLU?

You communist!
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 09:51 am
Re: Mexican Flag Flown Above US Flag
DrewDad wrote:
Dead link. What does happen?


Two pieces of cloth on a pole. Old guy with beard gets very excited. Draws very long knife. Angrily tears down pieces of cloth. Cuts one loose, throws the other one into the dirt. Talks to the camera. Walks away.

Befuddled hispanic-looking guy picks up other piece of cloth. Goes inside. Closes door.

End.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 09:56 am
I like this one ...
http://i23.tinypic.com/zv7ryp.jpg

... and the story is as good as the video - but not as good as oe's summary, I admit


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Wednesday, October 3, 2007

Flag-Ripper Accused of Hate Posting

By Martin Salazar
Copyright © 2007 Albuquerque Journal; Journal Staff Writer

The UNM student who ignited controversy when he ripped apart a Mexican flag last month had earlier posted a statement on the Internet calling Mexicans "wet-backs," a university department charged Tuesday.
Peter Lynch, who has admitted taking down and vandalizing the Mexican flag that was flying on campus, said he doesn't believe he posted the message.
El Centro de la Raza, a department focused on Latino issues, accused Lynch of exposing his feelings about the Mexican population on a MySpace message board.
Lynch, who stammered when asked Tuesday whether he had written the comment, said, "No, I don't believe I wrote that."
He has repeatedly said that he was acting out of patriotism, not racism, when he ripped down the Mexican flag on U.S. Constitution Day. He said he pulled it down because it was flying unaccompanied by a U.S. flag.
"It is the position of El Centro de la Raza that the acts of Peter Lynch were acts of hate and should be treated as such," El Centro director Veronica Mendez-Cruz said in a statement.
Mendez-Cruz is referring to a lengthy comment in which a writer identified as Lynch states, "I say next time the (expletive deleted) wet-backs march down our streets we load up on Keith's semi, and fly my garrison sized US flag then we drive threw the (expletive deleted)!"
The comment was posted on a message board focused on the question, "What do we do about the illegal immigrants here?" The posting contains Lynch's name and photograph. The comment was posted July 21, about two months before Lynch ripped down the Mexican flag.
Although the posting was later deleted, the search engine Google kept an archived copy of the message board.
Lynch is due in court today for a bond arraignment hearing on a charge of criminal damage to property stemming from his Sept. 17 destruction of the Mexican flag.
" ... I can't imagine when I would have made a quote like that or said anything like that, but had I said something like that it certainly was not in response to this incident," he said in a telephone interview Tuesday afternoon.
When asked again whether he had made the statement, he said, "I'm saying that statement didn't come from me."
Lynch said he doesn't share the message's sentiments.
"Nobody deserves to be murdered," he said. "I mean ... that statement is like, let's murder everybody who's not ... no I don't share those kinds of (sentiments)."
Mendez-Cruz said her department's primary concern is the safety of students and the community.
"We believe the act of desecrating the Mexican flag came from Peter Lynch's feelings of hatred and Anglo-American superiority over people of color," she states in the Web statement. "Given all of the recent and past hate crimes that have gone unreported and undisciplined, El Centro de la Raza takes a stand and is demanding further action from the University to prevent actions such as this to be underestimated or disguised in the future."
Lynch's destruction of the Mexican flag sparked a debate in Albuquerque and across the country.
Lynch, an Air Force veteran, said he was angry that UNM was flying the Mexican flag without the U.S. flag, a violation of the U.S. Flag Code. He complained to university officials and waited for the problem to be fixed.
When nothing was done, Lynch said he pulled down the flag, ripped it apart and handed it over to the Air Force ROTC office.
UNM police subsequently charged Lynch with misdemeanor criminal damage to property. If convicted, Lynch faces up to six months in jail and up to a $500 fine.
News of the charges against Lynch led to an outpouring of support for him. Veterans and others defended his actions as protecting the flag and all it symbolizes?- and not an act of racism.
Lynch and the university acknowledge that the incident resulted from miscommunication. The Mexican flag, put up in commemoration of Mexican Independence Day, was never supposed to be left flying by itself. When the Army ROTC went to retire the U.S. and state flags on the evening of Sept. 14, they left the Mexican flag because they thought its owners would return that same evening to take it down. That didn't happen.
On the following Monday, Army ROTC students who were supposed to raise the U.S. and state flags forgot to do so.
Lynch said he tried to replace the Mexican flag, but El Centro turned him down.
Source
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 09:58 am
Ah. Vandalism. How sweet.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:03 am
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On the following Monday, Army ROTC students who were supposed to raise the U.S. and state flags forgot to do so.

"Forgot." Surrrre.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:11 am
F--k la raza.

Obviously, you libs don't even know what a racist organization is.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:28 am
I wonder what El Centro de la Raza would say about this?

http://www.outragedpatriots.com/Mexican%20Flag%20burner.jpg
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:38 am
engineer wrote:
Once upon a time, right thinking Republicans and Democrats both would say something to the effect of "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." As someone who performed in a military color guard for three years, I like to see the flag used properly, but I do not condone physical attacks on those whose speech I disagree with. Nor do I support attacks on their property. If you want to stage a flag waving picket of this business, great. If you want to form a mob and tear down his flag post, sorry I disagree.


but you aren't a dickhead with a bad attitude and a tiny penis....
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:42 am
You know what - after that last wonderful comment - I've gone completely off the right end. It's time to start shooting folks.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:46 am
I'll look for your bullet riddled body on the six o'clock news after law enforcement brings you down from your spree.... it will be even more entertaining than watching a blood and urine soaked washed up rockstar ranting about guns....I can't wait Laughing
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:50 am
That would definitely be more entertaining than seeing you perform onstage.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:51 am
I certainly agree with that... not every day you get to see a dead gun nut and realize the herd's been thinned
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