Hello from the Nazi State of IL

This goes way back. I saw the same thing in Springfield in 1970

Why is such supposed to mirror a Nazi state resp. "Nazi creeps"?

If you refer to the German arms law: that originates from the law of 30. January 1919 (with later additions in 1928).
The idea was actually to be anti the Nazis (and other extreme right and left extremists).

[I've a (kind of) "FOID card" myself, from 1809, issued by the (Napoleonic) administration of 'Kingdom of Westphalia'.]

Damn you are OLD

"Nazi creeps"

C'mon Walter.. you know, like Switzerland where you actually have to register when you buy ammo.

Liberalism rewrites history so they don't have to remember it, and yet it dooms us all to repeat it.

Nazi creeps.

In some cantons, yes. Unless they've changed the laws, in other cantons, no. They used to have the same variation as we do between California and New Mexico.

I knew I shouldn't have trusted the Swiss government to tell the truth about their laws.

I'll have to track down that press release by the Swiss government refuting claims by the NRA about gun laws in Switzerland just to see how deceitful they were.

They've the same regulations as in the EU.

The only people I know in real life who weren't completely apalled by this were from Illinois....

That might be.

But I'm still not sure why you wrote "Nazi state".

IL is the most undemocratic state in the republic - Lincoln is rolling in his grave. It is government for the government, by the government, not by the people. They are nazi gun grabbers intent upon controlling their citizens with an iron fist. The mayor of Chicago is a brazen ass. The state governor is a second amendment hating fool.

I'n sure that you have neither have an idea about what Nazi means nor that you care at all about the terrible background of this term.


What certainly is your right.

The nazis took away the citizenry's guns, especially those belonging to the jews. They had no way to resist their internment.

We lost family members in WWII in europe. My father was a B-17 pilot who actually survived the war... it wasn't a high probability in that job.

You really need to concern yourself with nutjob despots like Ahmallamasdingdong instead of your perception of what my knowledge of a nazi is.

Thanks for the clarification on that, Walter

Nothing like rewriting history there cj...

But then you are more than happy to rewrite history if you think it would support your point.


The myth of Nazi Gun control

I lost have of my family due to the Nazis. But that wasn't the topic.

However, and if you had read (since you obviously didn't know that) what I had written above: the "weapon law" ('Waffengesetz') was introduced in the early days of the Weimar Republic. (In 1918 bylaws by the 'Poeple's Council' and vatious police departments, in 1919 by parliament - 1928 the law was changed.)
The Nazis just used it for their purpose.

Whenever a "cop" says they think law abiding citizens should be disarmed, which is the mentality of most of Chicago's force as well as their superiors - they have no business being cops....

(my father will tell you stories about having to pay Chi-town traffic control cops to cross the street after a baseball game finished - they haven't changed)



By MIKE ROBINSON, Associated Press Writer
Sun Sep 30, 2:47 PM ET



CHICAGO - Videotapes of angry officers savagely beating civilians and charges that a murder plot was hatched within an elite special operations unit have Chicago's troubled police department reeling again.


Adding to the department's woes is word from federal prosecutors that they are investigating claims that homicide detectives tortured suspects into confessing to murders that landed them on death row in the 1980s.

Not since club-swinging cops in baby-blue helmets chased demonstrators through clouds of pepper gas at the 1968 Democratic National Convention have Chicago police been so awash in trouble.

The biggest shock came Wednesday when federal prosecutors charged special operations officer Jerome Finnigan with planning the murder of another member of the unit to keep him from talking to the government.

"This kind of stuff on Page One is just horrible," and reinforces a misleading stereotype of police, said Roosevelt University political scientist Paul Green, who taught at the police academy for four years.

"The overwhelming 99.9 percent do their job professionally," he said.

But evidence of deep-rooted problems is piling up.

Finnigan, 44, also is one of six members of the special operations unit, created to crack down on gangs and drugs, who are charged with operating a shakedown operation aimed at civilians. Prosecutors say they have him on tape weighing the possibility of having someone kill a fellow special operations officer to keep him from becoming a witness against him.

Finnigan and his attorney, Michael Ficaro, declined to comment.

In July, three off-duty officers pleaded not guilty to charges that they beat four businessmen in a bar in a videotaped confrontation.

In another videotaped confrontation, off-duty officer Anthony Abbate was seen apparently beating a 115-pound female bartender because she would not serve him another drink. Abbate has pleaded not guilty to a felony charge of aggravated battery.

The quagmire is deepened by five federal lawsuits accusing police and city officials of covering up the torture of murder suspects at the Area 2 detective headquarters under violent crimes Lt. Jon Burge in the 1980s. Burge was fired in 1993 after a suspect in the murder of two officers allegedly was abused while in his custody.

A four-year study by two special prosecutors appointed by a Cook County judge, released in July 2006, found that Chicago police beat, kicked and shocked scores of black suspects in the 1970s and 1980s to get confessions. The report said it was impossible to file charges because the incidents were so old that the statute of limitations had long since run out.

On Wednesday, however, U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald announced the federal government was stepping into the torture case, saying it would seek evidence of "perjury, false statements and obstruction of justice by members of the Chicago police department."

"It's political, it's cultural, it's systemic," said attorney G. Flint Taylor, who represents several former death row inmates now suing Burge and city officials.

Attorney Richard Sikes, who represents Burge in the five civil suits, said after Fitzgerald's announcement that allegations against his client "have been fairly investigated by the special prosecutors who found that charges were not appropriate."

The department has been slow to put its best foot forward. Officers in the news affairs office said only department spokeswoman Monique Bond could comment. Bond did not return three calls seeking comment over two days.

Mark Donahue, president of Chicago's Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 7, said most officers are doing a professional job but the department's reputation has been hurt by the misdeeds of a minority.

"I subscribe to the few-bad-apples theory," Donahue said. "It is also due to the attention that the few bad apples are getting from the media."

The City Council recently revamped the Office of Professional Standards, which investigates charges that police officers abused civilians. Instead of reporting to department higher ups, as it did for years, the office now reports directly to Mayor Richard M. Daley.

Futterman says such investigations in the past were shoddy and rarely resulted in discipline against the officers.

"If they investigated crimes the way they investigate complaints against police officers they would never close a case," Futterman says.

You say the nazis used it for their purpose. Why do you continue to (fail to) mock me?

Illinois' gun laws are a travesty and a strike against the contitution of the U.S.