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Dear Immigrant Hater: You're a dope. Sincerely, the Economy

 
 
DrewDad
 
Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 10:04 am
Towns Rethink Laws Against Illegal Immigrants

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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 10:32 am
So your greed will inspire illegal activities? Rolling Eyes
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 10:37 am
Was the economy ruined by the law or by the legal challenges to it?

The article seems to indicate that it is a bit of both.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 10:52 am
The Immigration Problem
Emma Lazarus's famous poem encouraging immigration remained timely.
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

That compassionate welcoming message that greeted the lowly immigrants will be replaced with a "Keep Out" sign if the sizable numbers of protectionists have their way. Although immigration to the U.S. was promoted for a long time, immigrants have always been rejected by those already established in the country -- former immigrants themselves, or descendants of immigrants. It is sad that ethnic groups that suffered as immigrants would, upon social acceptance, become conservative and prejudiced against new arrivals.

Every month my wife and I drive over fifty miles to attend a meeting of the Caribbean and Latin American Support Project (CLASP) where a lecture on some country or issue that affects our neighbors to the south is presented. In September, the topic was the undocumented immigrants. Omar Henriquez, a strong advocate for fair treatment of those unfortunate individuals passionately addressed the issue. He has traveled their agonizing road having arrived in the U.S. from El Salvador with his family over thirty-five years ago. His forceful presentation of facts and arguments captivated most of those who attended and led to an interesting discussion.

Survival, yes, survival! That's why they become immigrants. Leaving his homeland, a country in which he and his ancestors lived for perhaps hundreds of years, is a very emotionally painful but extremely necessary decision. Harsh economic and/or political conditions force him to take up residence in a foreign land where he knows he is not wanted. He is demeaned, shunned, abused, and must live clandestinely so that he is not discovered by the authorities who will return him to the hell he fled. Jobs no one else will consider -- jobs that are dirty, dangerous, and difficult -- are jobs he must take to earn substandard wages so that he can send some meager savings to his destitute wife and children back home.

Extremely depressing is how he is designated -- "illegal." An ILLEGAL alien! "ILLEGAL"? Can a human being be illegal? The term implies a non-entity, an untermensch without any rights!

Because his very survival is at stake no legislation, walls, or other impediments will prevent the resolute immigrant from breaching its borders. He leaves his homeland where he is unable to make a living and seeks out one where he can. Why can he no longer make a living in his own country? Because globalization -- NAFTA, CAFTA, SHMAFTA, and all the other globalization schemes that the U.S. has conjured up and forced onto many Latin American countries -- have pauperized the peasants who had been able to eke out a living before the Gringos' subsidized agricultural products undercut his prices. Yes, the U.S. caused the problem. Why shouldn't the U.S. be targeted for relief? Resolve the immigrants' survival fears and the immigration problems should be alleviated.

Immigrants have much to contribute to American society. Treat them fairly, grant them rights, and they are extremely grateful. Upon acquiring the brass ring, citizenship, they become loyal, obedient, hard-working citizens. Many have joined the military to show their devotion to the U.S. with hopes of gaining that citizenship. José Gutierrez, the first GI killed in the Iraq War, entered the country illegally when he was 14 years old. Army Private Armando Soriano, 20, who died fighting in Haditha, Iraq, is now buried in Houston, Texas, his hometown, where his parents, undocumented workers from Mexico, are currently living. Three years after his death his father is facing deportation. Official statistics show that more than 68,000 foreign-born individuals are serving in the military forces of the U.S. Figures from the National Center for Immigration Law show that one in 10 US soldiers who have died in Iraq were immigrants. Five percent of those serving are illegal immigrants who joined with false papers.

On the date of the lecture, The New York Times published a story of the arrest by Israeli police of eight young immigrants from the Soviet Union who engaged in Neo-Nazi activities such as attacks on religious Jews and others ("Israel Arrests Suspects in Neo-Nazi Attacks" by Steven Erlanger, September 9, 2007). A search of their "homes revealed Nazi uniforms, portraits of Hitler, knives, guns and explosives." Israel, unlike the U.S., encourages unlimited immigration and grants citizenship to those it can designate as Jews. The Times article also stated, "Of the nearly 1.2 million immigrants to Israel from the former Soviet Union, more than 300,000 do not consider themselves to be Jewish, according to government figures. Many were brought up Russian Orthodox." Isn't it ironic that Israel readily grants citizenship to such unworthy individuals while the U.S. bars its land to potentially patriotic candidates?

http://www.swans.com/library/art13/pgreen121.html
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 11:29 am
legalize straw
an obvious point if the article that might have been missed is that you could further legalize immigration and it would only help the economy.

however, i'm not sure how the economy works outside of closed systems, and i'm going to shut up before real life enters the thread and plants straw on me.
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 11:31 am
Re: legalize straw
tinygiraffe wrote:
... i'm going to shut up before real life enters the thread and plants straw on me.


Does that hurt?
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 11:32 am
no, but the repetition can be painful.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 11:35 am
woiyo wrote:
So your greed will inspire illegal activities? Rolling Eyes

Excellent analysis as always, woiyo. By all means, intuit that instead of reading this as a simple criticism of the route that these folks took.
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 11:54 am
i think if woiyo in particular is going to be skeptical of the advantages of immigration, i'm not going to force the issue with him.
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 12:08 pm
tinygiraffe wrote:
... i'm not going to force the issue with him.


Otherwise, it would be painful too..
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 12:13 pm
tinygiraffe wrote:
i think if woiyo in particular is going to be skeptical of the advantages of immigration, i'm not going to force the issue with him.



Once again, both you knuckleheads miss the point.

LEGAL IMMIGRATION is good.

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is bad.

Simple enough for your 2 to understand??
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Fri 28 Sep, 2007 08:02 am
that would be *your* point, not *the* point
YES THANK YOU I GET THAT Rolling Eyes

but i already made a point that you could further legalize immigration (rather than further restrict it) based on the knowledge that it would be beneficial. that's what your kneejerk (and rather silly) reply to the first post misses, and it's just as simple as what you just said. either you missed it or you don't care about that point. okay, no one's going to make it important to you.
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