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The Ugly Side of the G.O.P.

 
 
Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 08:13 pm
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 09:36 pm
there's an attractive side? Shocked
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 11:41 pm
i don't entirely disagree with bob's conclusion (i think bear put it well) but the idea that voting against a 51st state is inherently racist smells a bit fishy to me.

i'm all for a 51st state too, but not for blacks, for everyone that wants it. i do admit to entertaining the idea that it hurt the chances that it would be such a liberal state. racism is a more serious charge, however- just because the paty is *too often* guilty of it doesn't mean it's the basis for everything. also if you make that charge in petty, ridiculous ways, you rather cheapen it.
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 06:46 am
tinygiraffe wrote:
i'm all for a 51st state too, but not for blacks, for everyone that wants it. i do admit to entertaining the idea that it hurt the chances that it would be such a liberal state. racism is a more serious charge, however- just because the paty is *too often* guilty of it doesn't mean it's the basis for everything. also if you make that charge in petty, ridiculous ways, you rather cheapen it.


The bill Herbert is referring to wasn't to make D.C. a state. The bill would have given D.C. congressional represetation wihout it being a state - hence the reason it was killed.

The Constitution provides that "The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature." and "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote."

The position of those who opposed the bill is that the only way to have voting representation in the Congress is to be a state. The bill's supporters prefer an end-run around the Constitutional requirement instead of amending the Constitution itself (which was tried back in the 1980s and failed).

Herbert is a tooll of the DNC. In this piece (which, interestingly enough, is largely plagerized from a piece he wrote 2 years ago) he argues that the GOP is holding up legislation that is clearly unconstitutional yet in his Sept 22nd piece (3 days earlier) he argues against another GOP action because he supports the Dem. claim that it is unconstitutional. He doesn't care whether legislation is constitutional or not. His only concern is pushing the Democratic party agenda.
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 07:45 am
well, there you go.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 08:34 am
Re: The Ugly Side of the G.O.P.
blueflame1 wrote:

Leaving aside the question of DC representation - as a foreigner I find it incomprehensible that these millions of people are withheld any representation in the country's parliamentary bodies, but as a foreigner I'll also leave Constitution-based debates to you this time - this is sure a good piece and a timely reminder.

Now that the Bush camp (of all people!) is trying to impose the negative stereotype of the "lazy" black on Obama (of all people!), this is as good a moment as any for one..
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rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 09:34 am
Most of the population of D.C.can vote in the state in which their legally registered. So representation is a false issue. More political games by politicians to garner votes from unthinking citizens.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 10:54 am
rabel22 wrote:
Most of the population of D.C.can vote in the state in which their legally registered. So representation is a false issue.

Can you explain a bit more about this to me?

I did just find out that, uhh, the Washington DC metro area has 8 million people, but the actual city (and District) only has about 500,000... oops, I was way off with my "millions" remark there then.

But of those 500,000, how many are legally registered in another state, does anybody know? Still seems so weird to just leave half a million people without any federal representation..
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 11:11 am
I have no idea what rabel is referring to. D.C. residents can register and vote within the District. The 23rd Amendment to the Constitution (passed in the early 1960s) awards them Electoral College delegates although it isn't calculated in the same manner as it is for the States.

The bill Herbert mentions (The DC House Voting Rights Act) had nothing to do with with the ability of individuals to vote. The bill would have awarded D.C. a voting seat in the House of Representatives (where they currently have a non-voting Rep. It would also have given Utah one additional seat - that was a part of the compromise legislation in hopes of getting it through the Congress.)
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 11:20 am
fishin wrote:
The bill Herbert mentions (The DC House Voting Rights Act) had nothing to do with with the ability of individuals to vote.

Eh. I understand that they can already vote for President, as well of course as for local government. But they can't vote in elections to the Senate. And they only have a pro-forma vote for the House of Representatives, where sure, they can vote now, but only for a sort of observer - the Representative they elect doesnt actually have the right to cast any vote. The bill would have at least addressed the latter thing. Right?
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 11:57 am
nimh wrote:

Eh. I understand that they can already vote for President, as well of course as for local government. But they can't vote in elections to the Senate. And they only have a pro-forma vote for the House of Representatives, where sure, they can vote now, but only for a sort of observer - the Representative they elect doesnt actually have the right to cast any vote. The bill would have at least addressed the latter thing. Right?


I think we both said the same thing using completely different words! Laughing

But yeah, they'd get a REAL Representative in the House that can cast real votes.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 12:03 pm
fishin wrote:
I think we both said the same thing using completely different words! Laughing

Right on Cool
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