The Trouble with the Left

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The trouble with the left, for you, is that they are winning in each and every polling category.

You took a nice vacation from the forum, only to come back and start dropping stink-bombs again; can't you go away for a while longer? Or at least attempt a discussion that isn't inflammatory in nature?

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the trouble with the right:

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They just don't get it.

You can lead them to fresh water but they won't drink because it isn't in a plastic bottle.

These are the folks that go to a steakhouse and order chicken.

For them, hunting is bad but huge, corporate soybean farms are good.

To them, defending the sovereignity of the U.S is a terrorist, racist effort.

They just don't get it.

Redefeat communism in 2008. Vote for ANYONE exept DUMBOCRATS.

is this ^ tends to be close enough to a real political argument to them.

personally, i'm in favor of making the armed forces less socialist. make the defense department raise money to pay for weapons and represent the capitalist ideals we're fighting for- no more taxes for war. occupation is big government.

vote 3rd party. better yet, start a real political party since we don't have any. and please, don't go by the name of the party, the constitution party isn't.

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Who are "they"? I never met anybody like that. You're just setting up a straw man so you can knock him down again. I mean this in the nicest possible way, old chap, but (unless you are being ironic, which I somehow doubt), you sure sound like a dummy!

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contrex wrote:

Who are "they"? I never met anybody like that. You're just setting up a straw man so you can knock him down again. I mean this in the nicest possible way, old chap, but (unless you are being ironic, which I somehow doubt), you sure sound like a dummy!

Exactly. The "left" in this scenario is anyone who disagrees with cjhsa's opinion on anything. There are a lot of people who like to imagine everyone on the opposite side of any debate as the most ridiculous parody of supporters of that argument. Everyone on the left is Noam Chomsky or Jane Fonda in Hanoi, and everyone on the right is Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity.

This is one of the biggest reasons we have such horrible leadership in this country right now. There is no audience for someone who doesn't demonize the other side. If it ain't flashy enough for TV, it's ain't going nowhere. The masses are asses.

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the trouble with the left is that they just don't buy or own enough really, really big guns.

yeahhh, that's it.... if everyone just had more guns, america would, at last, be in harmony with god's plan.

beware little wabbits, cj's comin' and he's loaded for bear.

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

the trouble with the left is that they just don't buy or own enough really, really big guns.

yeahhh, that's it.... if everyone just had more guns, america would, at last, be in harmony with god's plan.

beware little wabbits, cj's comin' and he's loaded for bear.

With that I disagree, but the really far left, like moveon.org, certainly supports disarming all Americans to leave them vulnerable to the far left....

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cjhsa wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:
the trouble with the left is that they just don't buy or own enough really, really big guns.

yeahhh, that's it.... if everyone just had more guns, america would, at last, be in harmony with god's plan.

beware little wabbits, cj's comin' and he's loaded for bear.

With that I disagree, but the really far left, like moveon.org, certainly supports disarming all Americans to leave them vulnerable to the far left....

aside from the constitutional right to bear arms, it's not realistic to believe that every weapon in the country could be confiscated.

but it's equally unrealistic to believe, as mike huckabee and others do, that america will be crime free if everyone was permitted to carry.

no logic there at all. and ya know why?

the difference between an average person and a criminal is that the criminal is willing and ready to do, without pause, what the rest of us aren't. which in this case is to kill someone without thinking too much about it.

arm every citizen and what you're gonna see is a shitload of dead folks and more black market guns in the criminal sector.

btw, i've never gotten anything from moveon about taking away every single gun in the country.

also, i'm curious about who this malvolent left is that we so desperately need to be defended from.

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Re: The Trouble with the Left

cjhsa wrote:

They just don't get it.

You can lead them to fresh water but they won't drink because it isn't in a plastic bottle.

These are the folks that go to a steakhouse and order chicken.

For them, hunting is bad but huge, corporate soybean farms are good.

To them, defending the sovereignity of the U.S is a terrorist, racist effort.

They just don't get it.

Redefeat communism in 2008. Vote for ANYONE exept DUMBOCRATS.

I suppose you're gona vote for a Pedophile then ?

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

cjhsa wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
the trouble with the left is that they just don't buy or own enough really, really big guns.

yeahhh, that's it.... if everyone just had more guns, america would, at last, be in harmony with god's plan.

beware little wabbits, cj's comin' and he's loaded for bear.

With that I disagree, but the really far left, like moveon.org, certainly supports disarming all Americans to leave them vulnerable to the far left....

aside from the constitutional right to bear arms, it's not realistic to believe that every weapon in the country could be confiscated.

but it's equally unrealistic to believe, as mike huckabee and others do, that america will be crime free if everyone was permitted to carry.

no logic there at all. and ya know why?

the difference between an average person and a criminal is that the criminal is willing and ready to do, without pause, what the rest of us aren't. which in this case is to kill someone without thinking too much about it.

arm every citizen and what you're gonna see is a shitload of dead folks and more black market guns in the criminal sector.

btw, i've never gotten anything from moveon about taking away every single gun in the country.

also, i'm curious about who this malvolent left is that we so desperately need to be defended from.

I'm not going to get into the "malevolent left" discussion, but I do have to answer some of what you said.

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but it's equally unrealistic to believe, as mike huckabee and others do, that america will be crime free if everyone was permitted to carry.

I must disagree.
If everyone was permitted to carry,excluding convicted felons and the mentally ill, you would see a drastic reduction in crime.
Because the animals that prey on civilized people would then have to worry about getting shot.

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the difference between an average person and a criminal is that the criminal is willing and ready to do, without pause, what the rest of us aren't. which in this case is to kill someone without thinking too much about it.

I have to disagree with this statement also.
There are thousands of people here in the US that have been trained and have used firearms against other people.
They are veterans. While I dont enjoy taking another persons life,I have done it before.
(Dont ask,I wont talk about it)

I think that most people,when it comes to defending themselves or their loved ones, will not hesitate to use deadly force.

As far as I am concerned, it is entirely possible to have a crime free society.
All it takes is to eliminate criminals.
And you do that by making people stay in prison for their entire sentence.
If you get sentenced to 20 years in prison,then 20 years to the day after you go in,the gate opens and you are freed.
Also,if you pass a law that says that a person cannot be prosecuted,either criminally OR civilly for using deadly force to defend themselves or someone else,that would help.

That means that if you decide to mug some little old lady for her SS check,and you get beaten to death by someone defending her,your family cannot sue.
If you get shot while attempting to rob a store or a home or another person, and you survive, you cannot sue the person who shot you.

Also,if you decide to go where you dont belong, if you violate a "no trespassing" sign,then whatever happens to you is your own fault.

In short,it is possible to eliminate crime, just eliminate criminals.

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i understand what you're saying about there being a lot of people trained, vets, law enforcement etc.

what i'm trying to get across is that a lot of people don't have either the hightened reactions or emotional clarity (if that's the right term) to be the whacker instead of the whakee.

or even plain street smarts to pay attention to that feeling you get when there's bad guys around. and even if they do, it's quite possible that the baddie will get the drop on you.

an example is my sister in law. great person. would do anything to protect her kids. but she is naive to the point of exasperation. there's a better chance of her blowing her foot off than shooting the attacker.

something i take into account when i cogitate on this stuff is "the wild west". virtually everybody was carrying some kind of gun. there was still a lot of murders and such to the point that really the only way to clean up a town was to get guys that were pretty much gun fighters with badges.

i just believe that the law should be enforced mainly by the police.

at the same time, i'm more than happy to put a couple of holes in anybody that decides to invade my home with violence in mind.

especially in the middle of the night. at my age i need my beauty sleep and it totally pisses me off when i get woken up... :wink:

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DTOM,
You said...

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something i take into account when i cogitate on this stuff is "the wild west". virtually everybody was carrying some kind of gun. there was still a lot of murders and such to the point that really the only way to clean up a town was to get guys that were pretty much something i take into account when i cogitate on this stuff is "the wild west". virtually everybody was carrying some kind of gun. there was still a lot of murders and such to the point that really the only way to clean up a town was to get guys that were pretty much gun fighters with badges.
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Actually,according to some studies I have read about (I will have to do some searching to find them) the "Wild West" really wasnt all that wild.
With the exception of the saloons (booze and guns NEVER mix) there was actually very little crime in the old west.

Yes,there were some gangs, like the James gang,the Daltons, etc, but they really didnt last to long.

Most of the people in the "wild west" were either veterans of the indian wars and /or the civil war, and they knew how to use weapons.
They were no intimidated by a bandit with a gun,nor were they afraid to use a gun.

As an example,look at what happened in Northfield Mn,when the Youngers tried their little stunt.

As for "gun fighters with badges", yes there were people like the Earp brothers, but they were actually few and far between.

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sorry, i just read over this; it should have been;

there was still a lot of murders and such to the point that really the only way to clean up SOME towns was to get guys that were pretty much gun fighters with badges.

your points are taken.

and really the main thing i was getting at is that even though pretty much everyone had access to a gun, it was not a crimeless society.

hey, maybe you know... embarassing as it is, i've lived in so. cal. for over thirty years and don't know as much as i'd like about california history.

know of a good book that's pretty accurate ?

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tinygiraffe wrote:

the trouble with the right is this ^ tends to be close enough to a real political argument to them.

Touche

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hey let's be clear, we're talking about the america's newer more bastardized version of the "right."

in other countries, i still disagree with them, but they'd be hard pressed to compete in obnoxiousness with ann coulter and their- actually, i don't know anyone on earth that can compete with her. she makes george bush look like mr. rogers, and saddam hussein look like raffi. wait, henry kissenger! i almost forgot.

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

sorry, i just read over this; it should have been;

there was still a lot of murders and such to the point that really the only way to clean up SOME towns was to get guys that were pretty much gun fighters with badges.

your points are taken.

and really the main thing i was getting at is that even though pretty much everyone had access to a gun, it was not a crimeless society.

hey, maybe you know... embarassing as it is, i've lived in so. cal. for over thirty years and don't know as much as i'd like about california history.

know of a good book that's pretty accurate ?

Off the top of my head, no I dont.
I will check with my sister this evening though.
She is a student studying Ca History at UCSD.

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