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Which type of praise affects your child more positively?

 
 
OGIONIK
 
Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 11:35 am
study on generic and specific praise given to children for doing certain tasks, interesting!


Praise Study


In 1999, Melissa Kamins and Carol Dweck made a striking discovery about the best way to praise children. When you are helping a child learn to read, saying "you are a smart girl" as opposed to "you did a good job reading" results in very different behavior when she has trouble reading in the future. Children who have received praise about their abilities ("you're smart") rather than specific praise about a task ("you did a good job ___") are more likely to exhibit "helpless" behavior when they encounter problems. Even though they were praised in both cases, telling kids they are "smart" just didn't motivate them the way specific praise did.

It's hard to deny the child's logic in this case. "I am a smart girl," she may think. "But I can't read this sentence. Therefore it must be impossible." But if she believes that she was able to do a good job reading in the past, then maybe if she just tries a little harder, she will eventually be able to surmount the current problems.

The lesson seems to be that generic praise is less effective than specific praise. But how generic is too generic? A new study led by Andrei Cimpian makes a subtler distinction between the generic and specific praise to see if the effect persists.

Instead of praising kids with "you are good" or "you are smart," they offered more specific generic praise. Children were given a pretend drawing task, and were praised either with "you are a good drawer" (generic) or "you did a good job drawing" (specific). What did they find? First, let's take a closer look at what Cimpian's team did.

Four-year-olds picked a puppet to represent themselves pretending to draw. The experimenter had a second "Teacher Debbie" puppet. Teacher Debbie told the child "draw" a tree using the puppet and a green pipe-cleaner "crayon." Teacher Debbie then praised the child using either specific praise ("you did a good job drawing") or generic praise ("you are a good drawer"). This was repeated with three different drawings.

Then the child was asked about her/his experiences with the third drawing -- how they felt about the drawing, and about the activity in general.

Next there was one more positive drawing experience, followed by two negative experiences. First Teacher Debbie asked the child to draw a school bus. When the child had her/his puppet show the "drawing" to the teacher, she complained that it didn't look like a bus because it had no wheels. Next the kids drew cats, again rated as unsatisfactory because they had no ears.

After these negative experiences, the kids were again asked how they felt about their drawings, and whether they'd like to try again. Here are the results:



After the positive drawing experiences, there was no difference in the responses. But after the negative experiences, kids responded better to each of these two questions when they had previously received specific praise. Responses to six other questions didn't rise to the level of significance, but when all responses were combined, the effect of specific praise was dramatic. All the questions were designed to measure helpless behavior, and generic praise was associated with helpless behavior with prep = .953. (This means, roughly, that we're about 95 percent certain that repeating this experiment will give the same results [see this post for more on prep].)

That's quite an endorsement for specific praise. Even relatively focused generic praise appears to be associated with helpless behavior -- and four-year-olds are quite responsive to a seemingly subtle difference in the language of praise.
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contrex
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 01:27 pm
If I told my daughter she was a "smart girl" she would assume I was complimenting her on her neat-and-tidy outfit and well turned out appearance, but then we're British.
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littlek
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 04:00 pm
And if we said a girl was clever, she might assume we thought she was being crafty in a not-so-pleasant way.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 04:16 pm
We've talked about this study before. As well as the work Dweck and her group have done since.

http://nymag.com/news/features/27840/ (previously linked here)

I'm really noticing the result of the "you're so smart" approach to parenting with some of my younger colleagues. They don't know what to do if something goes wrong. One of the younger supervisors spent hours in the manager's office sobbing not too long ago, as she'd never failed a course before. She had her mother in yesterday to try and help her figure something out. Blechhhhhh.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 06:04 pm
A friend and I were talking about that same idea, too -- our frame or context was supervised play vs. unsupervised play. She ALMOST finished her Ph.D but then started having babies, and now, some 18 years later, is going back to finish it off once and for all. She's appalled at how much hand-holding is going on in the Ph.D program as opposed to her first time around, and how much hand-holding seems to be NEEDED.

We were saying that it was about parents stepping in when a problem arose instead of letting kids fend for themselves and learn some decent problem-solving skills... but this all fits in with it too, and is familiar research.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 06:13 pm
Ignorant - I had interesting parents with no clue, not that we have (me at grandmothers' age).

My view of myself, for a bunch of years, was that I raised myself.
I've modified that, in tandem that they got me to be that obnoxious...
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 06:35 pm
The First Mr. Noddy was born under the special protection of Blessed Saint Anthony and raised with a constant barrage of fulsome praise.

He became a Great I Am, a self-made man who worshipped his creator, an insecure man with rot in his heart.

I noticed when my boys were subjected to fulsome grandmotherly love, they cringed at the falseness of it all.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 08:00 am
sozobe wrote:
A friend and I were talking about that same idea, too -- our frame or context was supervised play vs. unsupervised play. She ALMOST finished her Ph.D but then started having babies, and now, some 18 years later, is going back to finish it off once and for all. She's appalled at how much hand-holding is going on in the Ph.D program as opposed to her first time around, and how much hand-holding seems to be NEEDED.

We were saying that it was about parents stepping in when a problem arose instead of letting kids fend for themselves and learn some decent problem-solving skills... but this all fits in with it too, and is familiar research.


Interesting. I agree with the comments about the study and the types of praise that are most effective. But I wonder if something else isn't also going on... like passive learning in general. I notice how much of the work my kids do is completely framed for them -- just fill in the bubble or write the correct answer in the blank provided. Choose the correct answer from these answers provided . Yes, they sometimes have projects that require a little more thinking, but they seem few and far between.

Just thinking out loud here.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 08:27 am
That makes sense. Sozlet's school has a fair amount of open-ended stuff -- walk around the neighborhood and then write a couple of sentences about things you noticed, that sort of thing. But I know it's considered unusual and kind of maverick -- I do think that pre-packaged stuff is very much the norm, one of the things that made me batty when I was student teaching. (I had to follow the book which had its own activity sheets which had a right and a wrong way to do them and it was all very conformist and passive.)
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 08:42 am
That does sound maverick! I like it.

Television, of course, is a part of the problem too -- I'll just sit here while the glowing box tells me what I need to know. We are an entertainment nation.

Some of my daughter's worksheets are interesting (to me). They're doing pre-reading exercises, so there will be pictures of things and she's supposed to indicate which ones have the sound of the letter they're focusing on. Only, often it's not clear what the word is that goes with the picture -- it could be one of many. For example, they were working on short e, and there was a picture of a chicken. She looked at it and said "that's a chicken", but clearly they were looking for the word "hen". I guess I'm supposed to tell her that they want her to think of the word hen or she'll get the answer wrong, and you know how kids are about that, but I'd almost rather her take it to the teacher and defend her answer. I don't think she has that opportunity in class, though. I remember this same kind of thing with Duckie in kindergarten too.
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