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The Israel connection

 
 
Zippo
 
Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2007 12:56 pm
The Israel connection

"The majority of American citizens want the troops out of Iraq. What are "our representatives" in Congress doing? They are ignoring us. That's because Israel, the Israeli lobby, AIPAC, and the Jewish-owned and operated media shilling for Israel are all wielding a power over this once-great nation grossly disproportionate to their numbers. The Jewish lobby controls our politicians, and the Jewish media protects the president and spreads Israeli propaganda. Fortune magazine placed AIPAC as the second most powerful lobby in Washington and behind AARP.

Israel receives more U.S. aid than any other nation. Contributions to AIPAC are tax-deductible. Wealthy Jewish professionals contribute millions to both AIPAC and Israel, providing a virtual unlimited cash pool to fund American politicians' campaigns."

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I have a hunch that the same political pattern was occurring in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s.
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anton
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2007 06:21 pm
Re: The Israel connection
Zippo wrote:
The Israel connection

"The majority of American citizens want the troops out of Iraq. What are "our representatives" in Congress doing? They are ignoring us. That's because Israel, the Israeli lobby, AIPAC, and the Jewish-owned and operated media shilling for Israel are all wielding a power over this once-great nation grossly disproportionate to their numbers. The Jewish lobby controls our politicians, and the Jewish media protects the president and spreads Israeli propaganda. Fortune magazine placed AIPAC as the second most powerful lobby in Washington and behind AARP.

Israel receives more U.S. aid than any other nation. Contributions to AIPAC are tax-deductible. Wealthy Jewish professionals contribute millions to both AIPAC and Israel, providing a virtual unlimited cash pool to fund American politicians' campaigns."

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I have a hunch that the same political pattern was occurring in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s.


A simple definition of Democracy is "the will of the majority", isn't the US supposed to be a democracy?
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miguelito21
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2007 07:02 pm
Well, it's a republic, which is quite different.

Citizens elect people who are supposed to represent their will.
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anton
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2007 11:06 pm
miguelito21 wrote:
Well, it's a republic, which is quite different.

Citizens elect people who are supposed to represent their will.


If they are not going to represent you why elect them?
If a republic is quite different to a democracy why does your government present the US as being democratic, as an outsider looking in there is a lot of undemocratic stuff going on in America such as spying on the citizens and I see recently where a demonstator was dragged to the ground and shot with an electronic Tazer stun-gun, not exactly free speech is it?
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Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2007 11:33 pm
So what. Australia is supposed to be a democracy, but things are little different here. Makes no difference what your race or religion is. Only how much money you've got.
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2007 01:53 am
at the nuremberg trials, herman goering wrote:
Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.


actually he said it, he didn't write it, but it's pretty much all there.
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miguelito21
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2007 06:32 am
Quote:
If they are not going to represent you why elect them?


Most probably because you think they will represent you, which they are supposed to do.



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If a republic is quite different to a democracy why does your government present the US as being democratic,



I don't know which government you are referring to when you write "your government", but that's not the main point.

Look at history, and you will see that the founders of what we today call "representative democracies" were opposed to democracy.

That term, "representative democracy", refers to the institutions that were progressively born out of three modern revolution: the English, the American and the French. And at the start, they were absolutely not considered as a variety of democracy.

Rousseau for instance, condemned political representation. He saw a great difference between a people making its own laws, and a people electing representatives to do it for them. And even the partisans of political representation saw a fundamental difference between the regime they defended and democracy; they referred to their regime as a "representative government" or as a "republic".

For example, Madison said: "The true distinction between these [democracies] and the American governments, lies in the total exclusion of the people, in their collective capacity, from any share in the latter".


Much more could be said on the subject, but you get my point.
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