Don't tell me there's any proof for creationism.

Hapgood submitted samples for radiometric dating, both C14 and Thermoluminescent. All of dozens of attempts have indicated the figurines were well over 1000 years old.

Yes, apparently you did not read the material you linked. From your second link on the alleged "dinosaur" figurines:

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Hapgood submitted samples for radiometric dating, both C14 and Thermoluminescent. All of dozens of attempts have indicated the figurines were well over 1000 years old.

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While you're here, "real life," do you care to explain how any of that, if someone were to stipulate--only for sake of discussion--that these were figurines of dinosaurs, constitutes evidence for creationism?

The member "real life" has gone to a lot of trouble to dredge up the Acamabro hoax. In his 1953 article in American Antiquity, volume 18, number 4, "The clay figurines of Acambaro, Guanajuato, Mexico," Don De Peso raises the following objections to the claims of Herr Julsrud, and evidence that this is a hoax:

He fails to mention that the ceramic artifacts of varying clay composition and styles had been individually and not mold-made. There were not only ceramic pieces but also stone pieces.[/u]

The ceramic collection has unsurpassed variety and beauty that has won the admiration of professional artists. No peasant family could possibly make thousands and thousands of non-duplicated sculptures[/u] with such skill and artistic finesse.

Acambaro is a dry, arid, and relatively treeless area, yet all the ceramic objects had been baked in open fires. This would require many truckloads of firewood which is very expensive in Acambaro. It would have been consumed consistently.

Yes, apparently you did not read the material you linked. From your second link on the alleged "dinosaur" figurines:

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Hapgood submitted samples for radiometric dating, both C14 and Thermoluminescent. All of dozens of attempts have indicated the figurines were well over 1000 years old.

In 1955 Charles Hapgood, respected1 Professor of Anthropology at the University of New Hampshire, conducted an elaborate investigation including extensive radiometric dating. He was accompanied by Earl Stanley Gardner, former District Attorney of the city of Los Angeles, California and the creator of Perry Mason. They falsified the claim that Julsrud manufactured the figurines, by excavating under the house of the Chief of Police, which was built 25 years before the Julsrud arrived in Mexico. Forty three more examples of the same type were found. Three radiocarbon tests were performed by Isotopes Incorporated of New Jersey resulting in dates of 1640 BC, 4530 BC and 1110 BC. Eighteen samples were subjected to thermoluminescent testing by the University of Pennsylvania, all of which gave dates of approximately 2500 BC. These results were subsequently withdrawn when it was learned that some of the samples were from dinosaurs

A later study, published in 1976, showed errors made by Hapgood and provided evidence that the figurines were of recent manufacture:

Thermoluminescent Dating and the Monsters of Acambaro
Gary W. Carriveau, Mark C. Han
American Antiquity, Vol. 41, No. 4 (Oct., 1976), pp. 497-500

wandeljw wrote:

A later study, published in 1976, showed errors made by Hapgood and provided evidence that the figurines were of recent manufacture:

Thermoluminescent Dating and the Monsters of Acambaro
Gary W. Carriveau, Mark C. Han
American Antiquity, Vol. 41, No. 4 (Oct., 1976), pp. 497-500

So does it seem reasonable that someone 30 years prior would have carved from rock and formed from clay over 30,000 unique figurines and then buried them , with the idea of pulling a fast one in about 3 decades?

If not, why were they there?

With wood being scarce in the area and the local populace poor, what is the supposed source of these recent productions?

How do you know that wood is scarce in that area (are we just to take your authority in that matter?) and what has that to do with clay and stone figurines?

Amaco Self-Hardening Clay
Supplied in moist form ready to use. May be shaped by hand or thrown on a wheel. When dry, modeled objects are hard and durable without kiln or oven firing. However, they are not waterproof. Decorate with Rub'n Buff or acrylic paints.

Mexican Pottery Clay is a rich red color, similar to Mexican or Indian pottery, and little or no decoration is necessary. Marblex is a gray'ish white color.

fire make stone.....

fire is sometimes used to bake clay but is certainly not required.

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Amaco Self-Hardening Clay
Supplied in moist form ready to use. May be shaped by hand or thrown on a wheel. When dry, modeled objects are hard and durable without kiln or oven firing. However, they are not waterproof. Decorate with Rub'n Buff or acrylic paints.

Mexican Pottery Clay is a rich red color, similar to Mexican or Indian pottery, and little or no decoration is necessary. Marblex is a gray'ish white color.

...what do ...figurines do to provide evidence for a creation?

parados wrote:

fire make stone.....

fire is sometimes used to bake clay but is certainly not required.

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Amaco Self-Hardening Clay
Supplied in moist form ready to use. May be shaped by hand or thrown on a wheel. When dry, modeled objects are hard and durable without kiln or oven firing. However, they are not waterproof. Decorate with Rub'n Buff or acrylic paints.

Mexican Pottery Clay is a rich red color, similar to Mexican or Indian pottery, and little or no decoration is necessary. Marblex is a gray'ish white color.

wow

You're probably right.

They bought this stuff at the local Kwiki Mart to make the clay figures.

As for the stone figures, they probably bought those online.

Ok, problem solved . Thanks.

Setanta wrote:

...what do ...figurines do to provide evidence for a creation?

Many cultures give evidence of early man having contact with dinosaur-like critters.

http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm

I find it interesting, and it is a subject which has bearing on the lllllllooooonnnnnnggggg ages that evolutionists say are necessary. I thought that was pretty much self explanatory.

real life wrote:

parados wrote:

fire make stone.....

fire is sometimes used to bake clay but is certainly not required.

Quote:

Amaco Self-Hardening Clay
Supplied in moist form ready to use. May be shaped by hand or thrown on a wheel. When dry, modeled objects are hard and durable without kiln or oven firing. However, they are not waterproof. Decorate with Rub'n Buff or acrylic paints.

Mexican Pottery Clay is a rich red color, similar to Mexican or Indian pottery, and little or no decoration is necessary. Marblex is a gray'ish white color.

wow

You're probably right.

They bought this stuff at the local Kwiki Mart to make the clay figures.

As for the stone figures, they probably bought those online.

Ok, problem solved . Thanks.

I guess I assumed you would understand that Mexican clay would be FOUND in Mexico. Mexican clay does not have to be fired to harden. Acambaro is in Mexico.


But if you want to act like a fool, I won't stop you. Go for it.

real life wrote:

Setanta wrote:

...what do ...figurines do to provide evidence for a creation?

Many cultures give evidence of early man having contact with dinosaur-like critters.

http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm

I find it interesting, and it is a subject which has bearing on the lllllllooooonnnnnnggggg ages that evolutionists say are necessary. I thought that was pretty much self explanatory.

There are "dinosaur-like critters" in florida sewers.