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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 10:29 am
News just came over local radio, credited to Reuters, Canadian newspapers, San Jose Mercury News, and other wire services: It has been learned from Marriott Hotel employees in Jakarta that a block of US diplomats checked out of the Marriott a couple of hours before the bombing.

This coincides with earlier news that Jakarta police knew for days before the bombing that it would take place but did not prevent it.

Apparently the same thing happened before the complex in Riyadh was bombed and it's now alleged that British intelligence was a party to that bombing.

This news begs the question: Is the US a party to terrorist bombings overseas and if so, for what reason?
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 10:31 am
A party to or a target of????
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 10:45 am
Don't know. The implication was "party to." I post this to see if anyone else has more info -- my newspapers are two days behind and I don't have TV... Google has a few things, but nothing conclusive yet.
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 10:59 am
Hmmm.. CNN is running a story where they say the Singapore Straits Times claims to be quoting an operative of the Jemaah Islamiyah group who is claiming responsibility. According to the story the latest bombing was a warning to the Indonesian Presdient about the impending verdict in the trial of the bombing suspects from the Bali bombing case.


????????????
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 11:08 am
Gotta see where this goes.

However, it does seem that every time there is a terrorist attack -- it is noted that certain people "checked out" just before it happened.

It occurs to me, though, that people check out of places all the time -- and certainly coincidences are going to happen.

But to be honest -- and it causes me great personal pain to feel this way -- I would not put anything past any government INCLUDING OUR OWN.
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 11:31 am
Hmmm.. The San Jose Mercury News does have a story running as "breaking news" but it makes no mention of any US citzens checking out the day of the latest blast:

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/6465333.htm
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wolf
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 11:58 am
Well, you can't have a war on terrorism and all the powers that come along, without terrorism. It's quite clear the CIA is involved in international terrorism for a long time. Everybody suspects it, but only few dare to imagine such atrocities, causing so much grief, actually being executed by our own agencies.

Disappeared article 1

Disappeared article 2

I can't imagine how they can excuse such twisted actions. I feel very sad for them.
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wolf
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 12:15 pm
This article by voxfux expresses it well:

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One by one, the world's terror attacks bear more of the hallmarks of US Intelligence, "Black Ops," than of Islamic terrorism. The signs are unmistakable, the CIA backed industrio-religious crusaders are staging terror campaigns throughout the world - absolutely - positively.

The despicable US media giants were silent when undisputed proof surfaced that the CIA, NSA, British Intelligence, the US Secret Service and the FBI were all involved in the May 16th 2002 blast in a Philippine hotel room when their agent, Michael Meiring accidently blew his own legs off while constructing a bomb which was intended, if ignited as planned, to be a staged "Al Queda" terror attack, justifying a tightened US- Philippine military alliance.

Meiring who operated under the cover of being a treasure hunter was in fact a CIA operative under the direct protection of the White House (As evidenced by his swift NSA/FBI medivac to San Diego after blowing his own legs off). The US spook spent 10 years on assignment associating with Islamic groups, Abu Sayef, MNLF, Moro Islamic Liberation Front, and other Philippine based Islamic groups, supplying them with US counterfeit notes (Courtesy of US intelligence) and bomb making materials so that they may create terrorist mayhem within the Philippines, giving the US a pretext to move in and, "help," just like in Indonesia - just like nearly everywhere else these Mafia-like thugs can plant their terror and, "protection," racket.

Meiring called his front company, Paruosia International Trading Incorporated
Paruosia, in Christian fundamentalist lingo, means "Second coming of Christ." - These intelligence asset/crusader types can't resist revealing clues to their delusions of righteous grandeur.

What was the coverage from the CIA controlled propaganda machines, CNN, Fox and the rest regarding this explosive story of a CIA agent caught planting a terrorist bomb? - Zippo. Not a single mention of Meiring - Nothing.

Thanks to the CIA's complete infiltration of the US major media and the collusion of media editors and journalists in this crusade and thanks to the cowardly and obedient journalists who are supposed to write about the real nature of this crusade, and thanks and to a population who's minds have been so fabulously obliterated by years of programming by the mind slum that is television, the crusaders have had a free ride. After all these years infiltrating and or buying the media they have created their own consent machine, giving themselves a perpetual green light - like there's no one left to stop them...

...or so they think.

One by one you will see staged "Islamic Terrorist," attacks throughout South East Asia. Up next Thailand. Since it would be patently ridiculous to claim that there are viable Islamic terrorist groups in Thailand the CIA/CNN lie being released into the LieScape is that Al Queda terrorists are using Thailand as a "Safe Haven."

And of course Indonesia and the Philippines will continue to receive the heaviest brunt of these crusaders' attacks

The crusaders know that their window of opportunity is closing fast - awareness is building throughout the world that it is in fact the dark hand of this group of US covert operators who is actually behind every single terror attack in the world - so the Bushes know that they must terrorize now before the world's populations rise up, destroy their own complicit lying governments and take up arms against US interests around the world. But since the Bush filth and his type lack the skills to formulate a complete and total plan for global conquest, the extent of their current plan is to create as much terror and destabilization as they can and only afterwards, somehow hope to reap benifit and profit from all the apocalyptic confusion they create.

What these war criminals and war profiteers in Washington don't know is that global conquest is more complicated than Brzezinski's books outline. These retards read Brzezinski's books, get all fuelled up on viagra (their only connection to virility) and harbour serious delusions that they are god's crusaders. Another thing that Bush and his cabal of war profiteers and war criminals don't know is that they will be brought to justice for their September 11th attacks on the American people.

But for now, their organs of lies and disinformation, CNN, Fox and the rest of the lying monopoly media are busy churning out the preparatory lies necessary to precondition the US population so that when these US crusaders ignite their bombs, the lie that it was Al Queda that did it will already be inscribed in our heads.

But CIA/CNN simply cannot churn out enough convincing lies fast enough to reverse the wave of hatred both within the United States and throughout the world of these New World Order crusaders fronted by the most despised man on earth, George W. Bush. And so the crusaders are counting on the panic and mayhem generated by these CIA terror strikes to give themselves more time to formulate a plan - to figure out what to do next to cash in on their terror attacks.

After the totally unreported Philippines hotel bomb screw-up, the crusaders struck again in the Bali Nightclub blast. Voxnyc was the only news service on the planet with the courage, independence and skills to identify that this bombing was yet another terror strike courtesy of US based crusaders - not Al Queda. We mounted a massive notification campaign and sent out nearly 200,000 emails to every academic institution, politician, newspaper editor and journalist in Indonesia clarifying just exactly what really happened. And the result was a phenomenal success. Within days of our massive notification campaign, public opinion polls throughout Indonesia revealed that most Indonesians believed that the Bali blast was in fact perpetrated by the CIA and not Al Queda.

And if there is any doubt that this little independent news service voxnyc.com was singlehandedly responsible for exposing the truth about the Bali blast, just ask any major newspaper editor or politician in Indonesia if they remember the voxnyc article - they do. It was the only beacon of truth coming out of the west about that incident. The only flicker of light, amongst the swarming sea of lies perpetrated by the CIA based US media and their moles amongst the Indonesian media and political spectrum.

So from now on, our focus of reporting the terror after it has occurred will shift to focusing on reporting the terror BEFORE IT HAPPENS. This shift towards "Preemptive reporting" is absolutely critical if we are to stop these crusaders' terror attacks.

George Bush willingly fronts for the most evil force to ever hold the human species in it's grip. He and the invisible murderous hand which lurks in his shadow represent the very face of evil and simply must be stopped at all costs.

The big question is, will the crusaders have enough money to infiltrate or pay off enough local Asian politicians and media owners in order to keep the truth from their own populations like they have been so fantastically successful at doing here in the United States. Will the massive CIA based media monoply which has been so successful at destroying the minds of nearly 80% of all Americans be able to reach into the minds of the Asians and destroy theirs too? Because unless the infiltration and payoffs are complete, and the destruction of the mind is total, the fact is, people who are getting attacked are going to want answers. And without infiltration, payoffs or mind wasting, there is no other way to keep the real information about who is behind the attacks, from the victims. My guess is that the pan Asian infiltration and payoff channels are not complete - so those who seek the truth still have a window of opportunity to warn the peoples of South East Asia that the US Crusaders are racing towards them with a blood thirst not seen since the Third Reich.

The message to those in the State Department, military, intelligence organizations and in the many religious and industrial think tanks and organizations who are certainly behind these attacks must be clear - We intend to warn the populations of the earth in advance of your attacks. We intend to launch preemptive news campaigns to diffuse each and every one of your attempts at striking terror in the hearts of these peaceful people. Your efforts will fail because the people of these nations will be informed PRIOR to your attacks that you are going to be the ones behind these attacks. We know that this is for sure your modus operandi and we will assure you that your plans will not succeed.

The oil crusaders' plan is to create pan global terror and through that terror somehow use the US military threat as their trump card to go in and "help." That's it. That is all they are capable of planning. The rest is improvisation. Their hopes at best is to figure out a way to profit from that turmoil. But because they are such colossal ****-ups and literally **** up EVERY SINGLE PLAN THEY HAVE EVER CONCOCTED, this one will surely fail as well - killing many thousands of innocent people in the process and causing decades of anti American sentiment throughout the world.

So we must warn the countries of Southeast Asia that the crusaders are racing to take their crusade of terror and plunder to their peaceful nations.

The analysis of the memes originating from CNN, the Council of Foreign Relations and the other think tanks of death lead to only one conclusion - That the crusaders, emboldened by the apparent lack of any feasible resistance to their terror campaigns, plan to spread their crusade to the entire planet.

It is critical at this moment in history that some alternative news services shift to a preemptive mode. It's not hard to do, the actions of the crusaders are completely predictable. Preemption is vital to assuring the safety of the people of the world and the continuance of life on this planet. If one wishes to see a clear blueprint for the New World Order's plan for global conquest one only has to turn to CNN. For CNN is the organ whereby the crusaders transmit their necessary preparatory conditioning memes so that a sheep-like populous will be ready to march, lock step, like obedient worker ants and foot soldiers for these dying industrialist geezers, eager and ready to kill millions to keep their grip on power and further their eugenicist agenda.

Get off your knees
before it's too late
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 12:41 pm
Time for everyone to see "The Quiet American."
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 12:42 pm
Probably written by the same guy who wrote this

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WASHINGTON ~ Imperial President Bush Junior and Attorney General Johnny Ashcroft think that God is giving them their marching orders, but evidence obtained by this tabloid reveals that it is Satan who is instructing these high-level Republicrats.

Biblical experts have examined a recent snapshot taken inside the White House and have confirmed that it is Satan wearing a cheap dime-store Santa costume. Apparently, Satan has been able to convince top Republicrats that he was God by wearing this disguise.

Many Republicrats believe that Santa is God and the Supreme Evil One has used this belief to trick the leaders of the Republicrat Empire. While Bush Junior has believed that he is doing God's will, he has actually been a tool of Satan. Political scientists believe that Satan instructs Ashcroft daily at a morning "prayer" meeting and then meets at night with Bush Junior at the Republicrat Alchoholics Anonymous meeting.

It is unknown what orders Satan has been giving the Republicrats as the meetings are cloaked in secrecy and beltway insiders are reluctant to discuss the religious practices of their masters. However, it is an open secret in Washington that Bush Junior has been in direct communication with "God" since September 11, 2001. Officials at the Church of the Holy Pharisees, where Bush Junior is a member, refused to comment on the matter.
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wolf
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 12:53 pm
Very swift damage control guys, I must say.

Involvement by the CIA in terrorism is slightly more documented than metaphysical jokes, I would think. They've been going at it for decades. Communism is dead, you'd think they would stop their activities. But no, they just create reasons to hold onto their jobs, and I'm sure they come up with ideological constructions to embellish the inhumane horror that accompanies this attempt.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 12:59 pm
Nothing seems impossible, and Frank is right. It always seems that people are checking into or out of things just before an event. But we've also had so much information over the years about special-ops, intelligence agencies within agencies, the U.S. training guerilla groups all over the world. We have recent histories of bad things we set up in Central America and in Africa, helped along in various Arab states. What's to believe or disbelieve any more?

I read a lot of detective, spy, mystery and other stories today, and so many are written by ex-CIA people, or retired intelligence people, or international D.A.s. Lucien Truscott, who is certainly not without long experience, has written some frightening stuff. And Hollywood doesn't create all its plots out of thin air.

And yet...........we are told recently by Homeland Security that they have reliable information on possible guerilla attacks on planes. So what do they do? They leave the alert level where it is, call off the sky marshalls on all transcontinental and overseas flights, and have just announced they are cutting 6,000 screener's jobs at the airport. Which do we believe? Should we be afraid to fly, or should we assume it's okay but the safety devices are being removed?
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 12:59 pm
To Tartarin's question; I don't know. I don't believe so, but if true, I would very definately want to know.
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wolf
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 01:03 pm
... and precedents have been witnessed.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 01:21 pm
Yeah, lets trust this spook over our own spooks...

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The general has been living in South Africa for the last 21 years as a fugitive from Italian justice. He has been sentenced to 14 years imprisonment for leaking a secret service document to the press and last year received a 15-year sentence for obstructing justice.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 01:59 pm
Recall, if you will, the statement in the PNAC documents that the United States should be prepared to take advantage of terrorist action in the Continental US to pursue the goals of American hegemony. Shocked
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steissd
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 02:09 pm
The two "disappeared articles" (by the way, they did not disappear to any place, the links worked perfectly), proposed by Wolf, have extremely dubious sources: in the first case it was the leader of the Philippines Communist
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 02:55 pm
It's extremely hard to substantiate stuff like this and of course the frustrating thing is that subsequent substantiation tends to come more than a decade later, in most cases, when those responsible are no longer answerable. But yes, we have a long, detailed history of black ops.

Steissd's reaction is a typical one and apparently quite uninformed. It doesn't explain why Americans are tipped off ahead of time in each case (unless they're nuns helping Salvadorans, or dispensible people like that). While it's smart and grown-up not to leap to conclusions, it would be extremely dumb to ignore signs -- as Mamaj writes: "It always seems that people are checking into or out of things just before an event."

And it would be abnormal for intelligent, inquiring people living with an increasingly authoritarian and secretive government to purse our lips and accuse others of wild fantasies.
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wolf
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 03:34 pm
Well spoken.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2003 06:17 pm
You know, I think it would be helpful if someone were able to cite four or five instances in which a government agency (CIA, whatever) was found later to have covered up serious, illegal acts. Just to get them on the table. Just to get the accusations of fantasy out of these discussions!
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