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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 12:31 am
The KGB and the GRU cud not steal
American defensive technology as fast as we cud n did invent it.

Reagan ran their slave based economy into the ground
so the commie monster is dead
and we can enjoy our freedom.
David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 12:37 am
vikorr wrote:
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It seems to me,
that we r a lot better off now, than we were when communism or nazism
threatened to enslave the world.

Considering that the American Economic Empire has enslaved much of the third world, Africa, Sth America, Middle East etc…

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During the 3rd World War, communism fell of its own wate,
after we, the freedom lovers, successfully used force to contain it.

...then the freedom lovers of the third world should by this logic, be using force against the US to regain their freedom…

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Killing housands and thousands of human beings might,
in some cases, be something that needs to be done,
but it's not something to be celebrated.


TRIPLE BALONEY !


They should by this reasoning, then celebrate the killing of Americans…

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Even the nazis were human beings,
made of flesh and blood, with similar passions and anxieties to you and I.


If u say so;
( but the commies were much worse ).

…and they should not feel any guilt, for they need not see Americans as human, with the same passions and anxieties as them (in the 3rd world)

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The goal was self defense,
in preservation of our own freedom;

Your post is delusionally inconsistent with known fact.
We have no slaves.

David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 12:47 am
akaMechsmith wrote:


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So wolves kill caribou and both societies become more fit for their environment.

...

If the caribou doesn't run he dies.

The more successful road to survival
is not running, but COUNTERATTACKING the predator.

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David attempts to use guns to control his environment.

Yes,
in that a society based upon well armed citizens
is individualistic, with weak n feeble government,
thus insuring n preserving the freedom of the well armed citizens.

In other words,
one of the main uses of pervasively abundant guns
is keeping the government in line,
in addition to criminal predators.
That was the original theory upon which government in America was based.
David
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vikorr
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 12:58 am
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Your post is delusionally inconsistent with known fact.
We have no slaves.


Ah David, that would depend on your definition of slavery.

Towards the end, I specifically said financial/economic slaves.

At the start I mentioned the American economic empire.

It should be clear enough.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 01:08 am
vikorr wrote:
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Your post is delusionally inconsistent with known fact.
We have no slaves.


Ah David, that would depend on your definition of slavery.

Towards the end, I specifically said financial/economic slaves.

At the start I mentioned the American economic empire.

It should be clear enough.

Your adjectives change nothing.
I read them the first time.
We STILL have no slaves; " economic empire " is a fantasy.
David
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vikorr
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 01:23 am
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We STILL have no slaves; " economic empire " is a fantasy.


Perhaps you need to do some research :wink:

An easy one is "Confessions of an Economic Hitman"...which would be a conspiracy theory except it is written by the ex Chief Economist of one of the original American Multinational Engineering Companies.

Or do some research into why Middle Eastern Oil is bought in US dollars, and how Iran has switched to Euros, and the forecasts of what could happen if they all switched to Euros

Or some research into what has happened since the 1950's in South America, and why so of them hate America.

Or do some reading into places like Haiti

Or some reading into the founding of the World Bank, and the IMF

Or some research into the scale of third world debt http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/Scale.asp
http://www.worldcentric.org/stateworld/debt.htm
(you can find more sites if you look, or books)

Or some reading into Saudi Arabia, the 'Nation Building' that occured there in the 70's, and the ramifications the incurred debt had in 1990 when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait (which by the way, had been ruled from Iraq for 2000 years prior to the end of WW1..the boundaries were then decided by the Brittish/French, don't recall which specifically)

There's probably more, but I can't think of the others off the top of my head.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 03:42 am
We have no slaves,
and no amount of research is going to give us some SLAVES.
( If it DID, then Southern cotton plantation owners 'd have spent
more time in their libraries. )
David
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 04:38 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
We have no slaves,
and no amount of research is going to give us some SLAVES.
( If it DID, then Southern cotton plantation owners 'd have spent
more time in their libraries. )
David


WE HAVE WAGE SLAVES, SLAVERY IS SLAVERY.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 05:24 am
OGIONIK wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
We have no slaves,
and no amount of research is going to give us some SLAVES.
( If it DID, then Southern cotton plantation owners 'd have spent
more time in their libraries. )
David


WE HAVE WAGE SLAVES, SLAVERY IS SLAVERY.

Slavery does = slavery.

Slaves do not get paid, thay have no rights,
and thay r the property of their owners,
who can freely buy, sell and rent them.

David
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 06:31 am
so you are agreeing with me? seems just the other day an american citizen was held for 3 years in prison and mentally and physically tortured.


if it happens once, it can happen twice, whos gonna set the limit on how many times?

what rights do we have when the government can change them at will?
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vikorr
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 06:41 am
All that's happened is an old form of Slavery was replaced by new, more sophisticated, and more 'acceptable' form of slavery.

Whether the topic interests you or not, is of course, entirely up to yourself.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 08:07 am
vikorr wrote:
All that's happened is an old form of Slavery was replaced by new, more sophisticated, and more 'acceptable' form of slavery.

Whether the topic interests you or not, is of course, entirely up to yourself.

No.
It is NOT slavery.

U r just twisting the concept thereof,
to squeeze some emotional value out of it, at the expense of the truth.

Unpleasant, or insufficiently remunerative, working conditions r not slavery.

It wud be slavery if a slave tried to leave his employment
and the owner chased him down and dragged him back, extorting his further labor.
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 08:20 am
1. a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2. a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.
3. a drudge: a housekeeping slave.

PLEASE RETRACT YOUR STATEMENT.

i dont work, i cant eat, i cant buy land, i cant grow food, i cant pay for housing, i cant LIVE. i could steal property to grow food to survive, i could steal food, i could steal money, but then wouldnt that make me a criminal? and therfore subject to prosecution? which would lead to incarceration? which would make me a slave anyway...

therefore i am a wage slave. unless you go by some other definition..?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 08:49 am
OGIONIK wrote:


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1. a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2. a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.
3. a drudge: a housekeeping slave.




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PLEASE RETRACT YOUR STATEMENT.

I ratify, reassert, and reallege my statement
as if herein set forth at full length,
but I refuse to retract it.
Your definition is accurate ( hereinabove quoted )
except insofar as it indicates that a bond servant is a slave.
That is historically untrue.

Slaves were, indeed, employed to drudgery in housekeeping.



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i dont work, i cant eat,
i cant buy land, i cant grow food, i cant pay for housing, i cant LIVE.

If u can 't eat, then I can see how u can 't live;
however, I am skeptical, inasmuch have u have shown enuf life
to post your message; I suspect deception.






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i could steal property to grow food to survive, i could steal food,
i could steal money, but then wouldnt that make me a criminal?

It WUD make u a criminal.



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and therfore subject to prosecution?

Yes.







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which would lead to incarceration?

Maybe.





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which would make me a slave anyway...

Yes.
Slavery is practiced in jails n prisons.
Note that this is an exception written into the 13th Amendment.






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therefore i am a wage slave.

A " wage slave " is an oxymoron,
like moist dryness or cold heat.
It wud be only throwing money away to pay a slave; thay need not be paid.

I observe that u have hereinabove alleged that:
" i dont work, i cant eat "; that is inconsistent with your present allegation
of getting wages, unless u get them without working.
Is anyone being DECEPTIVE around here ??






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unless you go by some other definition..?

I go by the original definition.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 08:51 am
Are CHILDREN slaves ??
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 08:55 am
by this definition? they could be, depending on the parents.
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 09:18 am
It should have been "if" i dont work, sorry for the typo.

yes i see children as slaves. if not to their parents, to the trap of society itself.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 01:43 pm
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2. a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person


Oxford Online Dictionary
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slave

• noun 1 historical a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them. 2 a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something: a slave to fashion.

• verb work excessively hard.

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/slave?view=uk

thefreedictionary.com
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1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.
2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence: "I was still the slave of education and prejudice" Edward Gibbon.
3. One who works extremely hard.
4. A machine or component controlled by another machine or component

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/slave
As I said, slavery.
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akaMechsmith
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 08:21 pm
Ogionik has a point.

When some 40% of ones time is spent earning money to turn over to the government one could be considered---

A slave.

A discerning consumer of government provided services.

A member of a society that has hired a class of persons qualified to operate services that people cannot individually provide without co-operation.

Ambiguous to say the least Confused But the proposition is not quite as clear cut as David would have it.

There is no free lunch Exclamation Never has been Exclamation
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 09:20 pm
akaMechsmith wrote:
Ogionik has a point.

When some 40% of ones time is spent earning money to turn over to the government one could be considered---

A slave.

A discerning consumer of government provided services.

A member of a society that has hired a class of persons qualified to operate services that people cannot individually provide without co-operation.

Ambiguous to say the least Confused But the proposition is not quite as clear cut as David would have it.

There is no free lunch Exclamation Never has been Exclamation

U mean to DENY that the bums on welfare
get free lunches ?????????

Thay get every meal free, every day of every year; GET REAL.

David
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