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Sr. Financial Mgr: "Very big collapse of all financial mkts"

 
 
Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2007 05:44 am
Sr. Financial Mgr sees ultimately a "Very big collapse of all financial mkts" and hyperinflation!

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/video/newsvideo.php?autono=297376
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jespah
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2007 03:47 am
I work in financial services. No one's got their hair on fire over this market correction. No one.
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Solve et Coagula
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2007 04:00 am
Bloody and Bloodier
Bloody and Bloodier

The subprime-lending crisis is worse than you think, and could crush financial and real-estate markets for years.
By James J. Cramer

(Photo: Illustration by Brett Ryder)
You're losing money right now. This very minute. You're losing money if you own an apartment. You're losing money if you own a country home. You're losing money if you own a stock or bond mutual fund. You're losing money if you have a pension plan. You're probably losing money here or there, you're probably losing money everywhere (except maybe from your savings account and wallet). But this is no Dr. Seuss story. It's more of a John Steinbeck tale, and we are the victims, a new generation of Tom Joads, and it's the damn bankermen who broke us. No, there won't be a police officer to investigate, and the government, at least this federal government, won't save us.

Our tale of woe starts not in New York but in flashy places like Las Vegas and South Beach and faraway onetime Okie haunts like Riverside, San Bernardino, and Ontario, California. In these towns, and dozens more like them, housing companies erected colossal communities of homes. Eager homebuyers and speculators fought each other for these properties, armed with cheap financing, courtesy of Alan Greenspan, who wanted to boost an economy reeling from 9/11 and create a legacy of homeownership for all, including those who could not document steady income or, for that matter, citizenship.

We think of him as Saint Alan now, but in a few years he will be known as the reckless Fed chairman who encouraged the creation and use of exotic mortgages that required you to put down very little money, odd creations like the "2 and 28," an adjustable mortgage with low interest payments the first two years that explode into gargantuan fees for the next 28. Don't have the money to pay for the 2 before the 28? Go "piggybacking": Take out a home-equity loan against your new house to meet those minimal payments.

Where did the money come from? Banks lent it, mortgage brokers lent it, and even home builders themselves got into the act. The housing markets were so hot the lenders barely had time to check if their buyers were deadbeats, cheats, speculators, or actual honest-to-Betsy hardworking people who wanted nothing more than what Tom Joad wanted 70 years ago. Oh, and the buyers didn't have time to check out the terms, either; the value of the houses was going up too fast. Gotta close now! Nor did the regulators tap the brakes?-whoops, there were no regulators. If something went wrong, who cares? The buyers could always sell their ever-appreciating home to the next guy on the reservation list or the ten after him. The builders, brokers, and bankers then shipped these mortgages east to the big Wall Street firms, which bundled them together and merchandised them as high-yielding bonds often backed up by nothing more than the full faith and credit of, well, no one.

Over and over, Greenspan hailed these fabulous financial breakthroughs that gave everyone a chance at the American Dream (or multiple dreams, in the case of speculators who took down homes and flipped them). And why not? Don't homes always increase in value? Won't there always be willing buyers armed with ARMs?

Except that wasn't how it went down. The same guy who prescribed the mortgage elixir for all Americans then laced it with seventeen straight interest-rate increases, increases that brought rates to levels so high that legions of people who bought a home with a teaser rate couldn't afford the payments. Between 2004 and 2006, just as interest rates started spiking and homes kept being churned out in these saturated areas, 14 million families purchased houses, many taking advantage of teasers and piggybacks. Given that the average home went for about $250,000, that's hundreds of billions in loans that cost a lot more per month than when they were taken. Now these people are stuck. They can't refinance because the rates are too high, and they can't sell their homes to repay their mortgage, either. In every area of this country?-and in particular, in the once-hot markets like the ones I mentioned earlier?-there are just too many other homes for sale and too many new homes still being pumped out.

What do the woes of these folks have to do with you? Can a housing fire sale in Phoenix or Fort Myers really affect your Hamptons beach house or your newly purchased Upper West Side classic six? Well, yes, and in even bigger ways than you might think. That's because the people who ultimately bought the bonds backed by what now look to be billions in bogus mortgages are those who run most of the big pension-, hedge-, and stock-and-bond-market mutual funds in this country. These suckers bought such bonds because bonds backed by mortgage-payment streams paid a tiny bit more than United States Treasuries, a comparable low-risk, if low-return, vehicle, and were supposed to have very little or no risk themselves. Some managers, however, borrowed huge sums to buy tons of these mortgages to turbocharge their results. And the most aggressive managers bought billions in mortgages given to less creditworthy individuals, the so-called subprime loans you keep hearing about.

Continue to read:
http://nymag.com/news/businessfinance/bottomline/35813/
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talk72000
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2007 09:49 pm
Darth War_dodger siphoned off $500 billion dollars out of the treasury for the war of profits for friends and family. The bushes have a financial interest in Kellog and Brown Roots, subsiduaries of Halliburton. On top of that the war alienated Europeans, Arabs and Latin Americans so American products have no market in Europe, Middle East nor in Latin America. Only East Asia and military dictatorships offer a market for American goods. The dictatorships buy weapons. I only see an outflow of American money but little inflow into the treasury. American jobs are disappearing hence the mortgage defaults. Darth War_dodger is ruining the US economy.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2007 06:29 am
Give it a rest will ya? Not every thread requires you to post the same drivel repeatedly.
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Mame
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2007 07:09 am
I don't think it's all doom and gloom. There had to be a bit of a correction because things were going a little wild, but the market will rebound.

First of all, summer is ALWAYS the worst time for the stock market.

In the mining sector, exploration and drilling are ongoing, and no drill reports come out until the Fall, so there's always a sag in that market.

I have had some losses in my stock and fund portfolios, but I'm not selling; in fact, I'm buying. This is the time to buy, not sell. Or at least just hang on to what you have.

JMO.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2007 10:37 pm
Don't cry when you lose.
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Mame
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2007 10:41 pm
I won't lose. Do some research, bucko, or listen to those in the know (ie. market analysts). I've been in this industry for 20+ years and it's always the same.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Wed 22 Aug, 2007 09:13 pm
It is you people who are ripping off investors. Anyway, the Canadian markets isn't that vulnerable to the scams that are played out in the states so you're off course.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 22 Aug, 2007 09:20 pm
I'm with you, Mame. My 401k probably took some losses (haven't checked), but the contributions stay the same. This may turn out to be a bargain for some of us.
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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 22 Aug, 2007 11:17 pm
If you're in the energy sector, roger, you will be okay if you hang in. It's a commodity that will always be in demand. Energy and metals are the only thing I know, so that's all I invest in, stock-wise. Mutual fund-wise, I like banks Very Happy
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talk72000
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2007 07:54 pm
Don't take anything from the Vancouver exchange. There are a lot of scam artists and the BC (British Columbia, Canada) Board that is charge isn't doing its job.
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Mame
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2007 09:52 pm
Oh for God's sake! Laughing You just have to know what you're doing, you scandal-mongerer, you. You think there are no shysters south of the 49th?
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2007 10:06 pm
Well, I am employed by an oil and gas well servicing outfit. I'm going to admit I don't know what either of my two funds are in. They are highly international, and pretty much bond free. Our advisor recommends these, and his advice has a good track record.
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Mame
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2007 10:18 pm
You gotta go with what you know. If you're comfortable, that's all that matters.
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