Texas church cancels funeral for gay man

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Quality information is sometimes subject to point of view.

Here is the Bible's viewpoint on ignorance and deception:

"They are in darkness mentally, and alienated from the life that belongs to God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the insensibility of their hearts." "The fool said in his heart, ?'There is no God.'"?-Romans 1:21; Psalm 14:1

"Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through . . . empty deception."?-Colossians 2:8.

To some, this may be considered quality information; to others it may be of no value at all.

hankarin wrote:

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Some of us like to think of A2K as a place where folks can come and get quality information.

Quality information is sometimes subject to point of view.

Here is the Bible's viewpoint on ignorance and deception:

"They are in darkness mentally, and alienated from the life that belongs to God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the insensibility of their hearts." "The fool said in his heart, ?'There is no God.'"?-Romans 1:21; Psalm 14:1

"Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through . . . empty deception."?-Colossians 2:8.

To some, this may be considered quality information; to others it may be of no value at all.

What's the problem hankarin? Why don't you answer the question as to whether your deception was intentional or due to ignorance? My guess would be intentional.

quite handy with pooper scoopers

mesquite wrote:

What's the problem hankarin? Why don't you answer the question as to whether your deception was intentional or due to ignorance? My guess would be intentional.

Based on the question you posed you would not be able to come up with the correct answer.

hankarin wrote:

mesquite wrote:

What's the problem hankarin? Why don't you answer the question as to whether your deception was intentional or due to ignorance? My guess would be intentional.

Based on the question you posed you would not be able to come up with the correct answer.

The question I posed was a simple and straight forward. Either you deceived intentionally or out of ignorance. That your post was deceptive is not in question. I laid it all out for you in the same post that had the question, here. (clickety click)

The question I posed was simple and straight forward. Either you deceived intentionally or out of ignorance. That your post was deceptive is not in question. I laid it all out for you in the same post that had the question, here. (clickety click)

The question I posed was simple and straight forward. Either you deceived intentionally or out of ignorance. That your post was deceptive is not in question. I laid it all out for you in the same post that had the question, here. (clickety click)

mesquite wrote:

The question I posed was simple and straight forward. Either you deceived intentionally or out of ignorance. That your post was deceptive is not in question. I laid it all out for you in the same post that had the question, here. (clickety click)

Please tell me how this arrangement compared with that of other surrounding nations?

Why was it in place? Was it meant to last indefinitely? Any slavery under imperfect humans was sure to be abusive. God's law attempted to limit the amount of abuse.

Anyone who checked the references could easily find all the details of the arrangement as you did. If anything you added some excellent details perfectly proving and explaining why we need an end to human domination of mankind. (Ecclesiastes 8:9)

Here are some more details:

"And you must sanctify the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty in the land to all its inhabitants. It will become a Jubilee for you . . . It should become something holy to you . . . Then you will certainly dwell on the land in security."?-Leviticus 25:10-12, 18.

"If thy brother be waxed poor with thee, and sell himself unto thee; thou shalt not make him to serve as a bondservant. As a hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee; he shall serve with thee unto the year of jubilee: then shall he go out from thee, he and his children with him, and shall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers shall he return. And if a stranger or sojourner with thee be waxed rich, and thy brother be waxed poor beside him, and sell himself unto the stranger . . . after that he is sold he may be redeemed: one of his brethren may redeem him." (Lev. 25:39-41, 47-49, AS)

On the occasion of the Jubilee, liberty was proclaimed throughout the land. This meant freedom for all Israelites who had sold themselves into servitude because of debt. Another feature of the Jubilee was that all hereditary land possessions that had been sold (likely because of financial reverses) were returned.?-Leviticus 25:1-54.

The Jubilee was to be a year of restoration and liberation for ancient Israel. It forshadows something very good for all who want to take advantage of it.

44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

The rebellion of the first man, Adam, brought mankind into slavery to sin and death. God's provision for freeing mankind from the grip of sin and death is the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ. (Matthew 20:28; John 3:16; 1 John 2:1, 2)
This will be a find end to a "slavery" all of us have experienced.

mesquite wrote:

The question I posed was simple and straight forward. Either you deceived intentionally or out of ignorance. That your post was deceptive is not in question. I laid it all out for you in the same post that had the question, here. (clickety click)

The question begun by Frank's sophomoric rant would have no meaning if were not for the rebellion of the first humans in Eden. It was never God's intention for humans to enslave one another. If you wish to have a contention with God because he saw fit to establish rules and limitations over an institution that came about against his will, you are free to judge for yourself according to your "knowledge of good and bad" (Genesis 2:17). Just don't expect God to accept your counsel.

. . . There was no rebellion in the Genesis story. According to the story, prior to eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, Adam & Eve did not have the faculties to rebel.

. . . Frank's question to start this thread was neither sophomoric or a rant, however your edenic rebellion apologetic is indeed sophomoric.

mesquite wrote:

. . . There was no rebellion in the Genesis story. According to the story, prior to eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, Adam & Eve did not have the faculties to rebel.

mesquite wrote:

. . . Frank's question to start this thread was neither sophomoric or a rant, however your edenic rebellion apologetic is indeed sophomoric.

This is the convenient dodge for those who wish to escape obligation to their creator. The perfect humans were recruited into their sin by another person. That none of these three individuals had ever before acted against God is evident from the sentences pronounced by God in the 3rd chapter of Genesis. The bible refers to God as perfect and his ways as perfect. (Deuteronomy 32:4) If that part of the bible is true, how is it that any of God's perfect creatures could decide to sin?

Could it be free will?

In the land of make believe anything is possible.

Are you saying that the curse on the serpent was symbolic, but that the curses on Adam and Eve were literal?

In the land of make believe anything is possible.

Are you saying that the curse on the serpent was symbolic, but that the curses on Adam and Eve were literal?

It is not about exposing church members to inappropriate behaviour

When the family provided the pictures to the church it was then that the church learned of their intention to make the memorial service a celebration of Cecil Sinclair's gay lifestyle. According to a statement on the High Point Church Web site, one of the photos provided by the family showed a man touching another man inappropriately, along with other unsuitable photos.

the church learned of their intention to make the memorial service a celebration of Cecil Sinclair's gay lifestyle

mesquite wrote:

In the land of make believe anything is possible.

Are you saying that the curse on the serpent was symbolic, but that the curses on Adam and Eve were literal?

The relevant curse on the serpent is the forthcoming 'head wound'.

The 'heel wound' has already been endured.