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Texas church cancels funeral for gay man

 
 
hankarin
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 04:47 pm
"False religion" is the only religion.
If so, then athiesm, agnosticism and evolutionary theory are "false religions" along with the rest. Do you want to go that far?
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Aimus
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 08:15 pm
Texas Church Cancels Gay Funeral
Why would the family of the "allegedly" gay man, give any CHURCH, pictures of him or any other man touching each other (it would have to be explicit for them to renege on their contract)? They have a flimsy excuse for denying him a funeral after everything they'd been through with his family (members of the church). That is horrible to imagine. But, imagine this...If you smoke cigarettes, you can't get a "proper" burial. If you are over-weight, you can't get a "proper" burial. There is no one else other than yourself that can keep you from these things. I also want to throw out there..."Why can't they make their own church?" No one knows at the end of time if you belong to the "right" church or not. And there are limited amounts of people that can get in. I may be in the wrong forum..."forgive" me....
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 10:02 pm
No forgiveness necessary. This is the place to vent.
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averner
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 11:58 pm
Let's all have our corpses frozen so if the government figures out how to ressurect fresh corpses, ours will still be fresh cause they were frozen
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Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 05:27 am
Re: "False religion" is the only religion.
hankarin wrote:
If so, then athiesm, agnosticism and evolutionary theory are "false religions" along with the rest. Do you want to go that far?


Atheism is lack of belief in a god.

Agnosticism is an acknowledgment that it is impossible to know if god exists.

Evolutionary theory is science and has got nothing to do with a belief set you blistering f@cking halfwit.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 11:20 am
Re: "False religion" is the only religion.
Wilso wrote:
hankarin wrote:
If so, then athiesm, agnosticism and evolutionary theory are "false religions" along with the rest. Do you want to go that far?


Atheism is lack of belief in a god.

Agnosticism is an acknowledgment that it is impossible to know if god exists.

Evolutionary theory is science and has got nothing to do with a belief set you blistering f@cking halfwit.
Once again, Wilso has stunned the board with his intellectualism.
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hankarin
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 12:17 pm
Evolutionary theory is science
"Evolution Is a Religion Which Masquerades as Science"
"An Associated Press-NBC News poll discovered that 76% of Americans believe that both the theories of evolution and creation ought to be taught in public schools. Only 8% wanted the evolution theory alone and only 10% wanted just the creation theory taught. Six per cent were unsure. . . .
"The central argument against teaching the creation theory in public schools is that it is religion masquerading as science. But according to Dr. Carl Sagan, evolution is a religion which masquerades as science. . . .
"No theory, whether scientific or political, can be sustained if a wall must be built to keep adherents in and opponents out. If the bondage which flows from a flawed political ideology like communism can be denounced, should not the wall surrounding the citadel of evolution be torn down and the opponents allowed to do battle on an equal basis? . . .
"Evolutionists don't want to fight. They have already declared victory and view any assault on their domain as pretension. Could it be that the reason they want to avoid a fight is because they evolved from chickens?"?-Cal Thomas' column in the New York Daily News, Friday, August 22, 1986.
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hankarin
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 12:21 pm
Evolution
Interestingly, evolutionists are aware that the fossil record is more compatible with creation than with evolution, even as they vehemently reject creation. Years ago several acknowledged this:

"The more one studies paleontology, the more certain one becomes that evolution is based on faith alone; exactly the same sort of faith which is necessary to have when one encounters the great mysteries of religion. . . . The only alternative is the doctrine of special creation, which may be true, but is irrational." (L. T. More)

"Evolution itself is accepted by zoologists, not because it . . . can be proved by logical coherent evidence, but because the only alternative, special creation, is clearly incredible." (D. Watson)

"Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it only because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable."?-Sir Arthur Keith.
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hankarin
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 12:26 pm
Evolution fact or fiction
A fact is something that exists beyond question. It is an actuality, an objective reality. It is established by solid evidence.

A theory is something unproved but at times assumed true for the sake of argument. It has yet to be proved as factual. Nonetheless, sometimes something is declared to be a fact that is only a theory.

The theory of organic evolution falls into this second category.

On September 30, 1986, The New York Times published an article by a New York University professor, Irving Kristol. His contention is that if evolution were taught in the public schools as the theory it is rather than as the fact it isn't, there would not be the controversy that now rages between evolution and creationism. Kristol stated: "There is also little doubt that it is this pseudoscientific dogmatism that has provoked the current religious reaction."
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hankarin
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 12:31 pm
A Scientific Religion
Robert Jastrow refers to "the religious faith of the scientist" and his irritation when the evidence doesn't match his beliefs.

J. N. W. Sullivan calls belief in spontaneous generation "an article of faith," and T. H. Huxley said it was "an act of philosophical faith."

Sullivan said that to believe that evolution made all life on earth was "an extraordinary act of faith."

Dr. J. R. Durant points out that "many scientists succumb to the temptation to be dogmatic, seizing upon new ideas with almost missionary zeal . . . In the case of the theory of evolution, the missionary spirit seems to have prevailed."

Physicist H. S. Lipson says that after Darwin "evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to ?'bend' their observations to fit in with it."
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 09:21 pm
well that tears it.

i've decided to become a reverend so i can teach evolution to my congregation, and give proper funerals to people without being petty and hypocritical about how well they adhered to the book of leviticus.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 11:42 pm
Re: Evolution
hankarin wrote:
"Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it only because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable."?-Sir Arthur Keith.


timberlandko wrote:
That would be the Sir Arthur Keith who, in his 1911 Ancient Types of Man and his 1915 The Antiquity of Man, held modern humans to be equally ancient as extinct homonids, and who was among the key propononents of Piltdown Man.
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We now know that when the Piltdown type was being evolved in England-or at the western end of the Old World-a totally different type had come into being in the Eastern lands of the Old World. The Eastern types had low receding foreheads, modelled as in the gorilla and chimpanzee. The Western or Piltdown type differed; it had a relatively upright and high forehead modelled not on goirlla lines but rather on those of the organg. While the Eastern forms retained in their shape of head the low squat type of the chimpanzee and gorilla, the Western or Piltdown type tended to assume the higher vaulted skull seen in modern races. There is no denying that in many of his features Piltdown man foreshadowed some of the structural modifications we find in modern races of mankind. Sir Arthur Smith Woodward, I know, will agree with me as to how Piltdown man came by such features; he came by them independently, for discoveries of recent years have proved that diverse races of mankind have undergone the same structural change quite independently of each other. And there is also no denying that through all his known parts there runs a simian vein in Piltdown man, in his skull and brain as well as is in his mandible.
Sir Arthur Keith


Great source hankarin.

You know, back in June when you first started posting here I asked you this question.
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Hankarin, is your deception intentional or out of ignorance?
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2732637#2732637


Some of us like to think of A2K as a place where folks can come and get quality information. If you are intent on leaving big piles of poo about evolution, it would be better if you did it on the Don't tell me there's no proof for evolution thread which is the current hot topic for discussion of evolution. A few of our members with scientific backgrounds and other fields of knowledge check in there regularly and are quite handy with pooper scoopers.
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hankarin
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 01:40 pm
Quote:
Some of us like to think of A2K as a place where folks can come and get quality information.


Quality information is sometimes subject to point of view.

Here is the Bible's viewpoint on ignorance and deception:

"They are in darkness mentally, and alienated from the life that belongs to God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the insensibility of their hearts." "The fool said in his heart, ?'There is no God.'"?-Romans 1:21; Psalm 14:1

"Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through . . . empty deception."?-Colossians 2:8.

To some, this may be considered quality information; to others it may be of no value at all.
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hankarin
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 02:28 pm
tinygiraffe wrote:
well that tears it.

i've decided to become a reverend so i can teach evolution to my congregation, and give proper funerals to people without being petty and hypocritical about how well they adhered to the book of leviticus.


Which denomination will you be ordained in?
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 02:40 pm
nondenominational- all the way.
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hankarin
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 02:42 pm
Re: Evolution
mesquite wrote:
hankarin wrote:
"Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it only because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable."?-Sir Arthur Keith.

Great source hankarin.[/[/quote]


According to the magazine Science Digest, "all the physical evidence we have for human evolution can still be placed, with room to spare, inside a single coffin!"

Regarding the skull of Piltdown man. It held the center of the evolutionary stage for about 40 years but was exposed in 1953 as an assemblage of bone fragments, some animal and some human, fraudulently stuck together as a hoax! In the words of the prophet Isaiah, it can be said of these theoretical ape-men: "Truth proves to be missing."?-Isaiah 59:15.

Was Sir Arthur Keith a victim or proponent of the hoax?
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hankarin
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 02:45 pm
tinygiraffe wrote:
nondenominational- all the way.


That will work for you in our modern world. Go for it.
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 02:53 pm
i hope you're right about that. i think i'll do some research first, including here.
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hankarin
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 04:03 pm
tinygiraffe wrote:
i hope you're right about that. i think i'll do some research first, including here.


Please, do the research. And ask many others before embarking on a real career choice. Careers in religion don't have much of a future from what I can see.
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 04:11 pm
oh i wasn't planning on doing it for a living. it would be free as well. i reserve the right to sell books if i ever write one, but i'm happy to keep my career separate from it.

maybe i'll sell other people's books, and gifts too, but it isn't absolutely necessary. i wasn't thinking about a business aspect until you brought it up, but with some people, that might help it catch on. i'll go ahead and promise not to offer premium services.
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