WATERSOFTENER: Fleck 5600 vs Master

Here's a verifiable fact.

All resin manufacturers have a speck sheet for their various resins.

All speck sheets state the SFR/cuft of resin in a range; I.E. 1-5 or 1-7 gpm/cuft.

Note the range? Give us your best guess as to why that is. psst... it has to do with the few critical pieces of info you don't have.

You mentioned books... I read and have read and studied water treatment "books" and I have attended numerous formal classroom training sessions over the years. And then there is my 21 years of hands on experience in water treatment sales and service while you are a whiny ex residential softener customer of mine that has bought what, three softeners in your life time and you're 57 years old? Recall that you also had serious problems with all the other dealers you've dealt with before me, plus a manufacturer.

And yes I responded in kind when you disrupted my forum and hung up on me when you called whining about it. But still, as I've told you, if needed I would do warranty work on your softener. You say you decided to not use the softener....

BTW, I see that you say you're against Pre brine refill. You say two hours soak time is too short to dissolve salt to make a 100% brine strength.

You're missing a few critical points there too.

And then there is your advice to people about cleaning their salt tank each year or sooner. If people take my advice and follow my instructions, there is no need for that.

The numbers I quoted were not from a spec sheet but directly from a Purolite employee and are 1-5gpm per cu ft C-100 resin which disagrees with the 1.25 cu ft=10 gpm which are the numbers on your web site.

Whatever magical secrets you consider, they apparently escape the resin manufacturer. Sorry, but I'll accept their fact over your sales pucky.



All that training but you never learned to work and play well with others, to not insult people or their family members, or to entertain the possibility that you don't know everything. Your education is sorely lacking.

Education can be a dangerous thing... all the scholars knew the world was flat until WHO sailed where?



I was truly fortunate(?) to have stumbled across three of the best examples of the worst the water treatment industry has to offer. People like you, the dealer here, and the manufacturer of that dealer's softeners are among those who earn the entire water treatment industry a bad name. People like you are the reason many won't and don't even look into a water treatment system when they need one.



Do warranty work? Do what warranty work? You don't do warranty work. Besides, writing off the $625 I spent with you was a bargain to not have to do business with you again.



I don't favor pre-fill, an engineer and a chemist at North American Salt (who, as I understand, is the LARGEST NaCl and KCl provider in the WESTERN HEMISPHERE) doesn't favor it, and many knowledgeable water treatment professionals that I have discussed pre-fill with don't favor it so once again the many know nothing and only Gary knows something.



And there is post after post on every self-help forum by people with "a lump/block of salt in their brine tank". So to advise a way to mitigate that problem is wrong? Curiously, many people who I have given that advice to have contacted me later to tell me that their problem never reoccurred. I guess they're wrong too. :wink:

You make every post and every thread a your way or the highway kind of thing so many choose to motor over and give their money to someone else and wonder of wonders... people buy water treatment equipment from sources other than Gary Slusser and get a properly sized softener using the best components, efficiently setup, which softens their water perfectly and will give years of reliable service so why get that side order of abuse and grief along with that water softener? and when they buy from a local water treatment professional they get service TOO!.

Besides, as these threads point out, there is much in the water treatment industry that one person does not agree with, so best to go with those who use chemistry, physics, engineering, and facts while providing their products.

I find it more than a coincidence that on other self-help forums where water treatment questions are asked (including those forums from which you have been banned) there are always people who disagree with you and are (according to you) always wrong. Different forums with different people and the only constant is you, your bad attitude, your personal attacks, mis-misquoted replies, and replies out of context.

Yes the numbers are from the spec sheet for Purolite's C-100/C-100e resin, since you doubt it, look it up at their web site. Or call your Purolite guy back and ask if the figures are the same as on their spec sheet and WHY the range of gpm.

Believe it or not, I don't/didn't print their spec sheet or tell them what figures to put on it.

Anyway, it is stated as a range as YOU I said and your Purolite guy confirmed.

So THINK... why the RANGE of gpm/cuft?

You can also set your brine tank on a pad of insulation and add gallons of hot water to it weekly or monthly or annually if you want to and tell others to do it too, and dissemble it annually to clean it out and throw the hard pieces of potassium out. Like I used to tell my kids, you don't listen, you feel and learn on your own, or not.

pssst It isn't only water treatment dealers you don't get along with, it's anyone that disagrees with you about anything.

Thank you for your permission to do routine maintenance on my water softener that I and others have found beneficial. I wonder if the engineer at North American Salt who advised those steps will be pleased to hear of your approval of his recommendations. I suspect he couldn't care less and neither do I.



You have me confused with Gary Slusser.

I welcome intelligent, civil, and respectful debate on any subject. I do not suffer fools well and you have inflicted much suffering on the forums where you post and the many forums you've been banned from while not providing the unbiased help posters come to these forums hoping for and trying to line your pockets under the guise of a water treatment professional.

I don't have problems communicating with anyone who doesn't threaten, bully, insult, or demean me or others. You, on the other hand, generate the same antagonism on forums you go to and with complete strangers with no provocation.

Then on Monday go to Purolite and ask the Why the range of 1-5 gpm/cuft SFR question and get back to me. You can put me on a conference call with the two of you if you want to.

Bravo sir, bravo.
Wow! I'm sorry I missed all the fun - I was out servicing clients H2O systems.
After reading over everything I must applaud justalurker... Bravo sir, bravo

Not surprising at all from a guy that stated here recently that the number etc. of bathrooms has nothing to do with the correct sizing of a softener.

At least justalurk knows something about SFR.... although he gets much about it wrong and I'm not sure he wouldn't have to go to my web site to see what SFR means.

BTW, I didn't go anywhere and someone bought a softener from me today.

Are you proud that you conned yet another victim? I pity the poor sap!

BTW, you have a certain way about you that makes me want to kick you.

Gary,

I'd love to tell you where to go on Monday but I'm pretty sure that would violate the rules on this forum.

You must be missing my smile as I type but you also need to change your attitude.

You do that by changing what you think. That changes how you feel physically and more importantly, emotionally. In many cases it changes how you feel about yourself. That allows you to control your anger. That prevents anger caused damage to your body which makes you healthier.

As an example, look at justajerk's anger and revenge driven actions everywhere he posts. Now that's a guy that doesn't feel good about himself and grasps at everything I throw his way. Watch. Could it be that he is height challenged, kinda like they say Napoleonic?

Dr. Phil?


I have an excellent positive attitude and I only kick inanimate objects

Napoleonic?

That's an interesting remark from a guy who always seems to be holding his own.

Yeah, he too was short, ego driven and unwilling to change.

And YOU'RE still holding your own. :wink:

Page two here
http://www.purolite.com/Library/Products/Resources/rid_62.pdf

1.0-1.5 gpm/ft3 If you can't figure out why the range, call the Purolite EMPLOYEE you say you spoke to and ask why the range.

WATERSOFTENER: Fleck 5600 vs Master

And you're still holding your own.

And you're still wrong.

BTW, you're also wrong about how much salt to put in a brine tank.

You're still holding your own and it appears you've changed hands.



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People, do not listen to justajerk when he says to put salt in your brine tank until it covers the water. That causes certain problems. Can anyone come up with any of them?

If anyone thinks he's right about his SFR claims.... assuming he was right, what negative impacts would that have on your softener.