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Universal health care: Is it worth the long waits?

 
 
Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 11:01 am
Universal health care: Is it worth the long waits?

Push is on for private insurance in Canada as residents come to the U.S. for timely treatment
By Henry L. Davis - News Medical Reporter
Updated: 07/29/07 10:20 AM

Canadian Lindsay McCreith came to Buffalo for an MRI after being told he would have to wait over four months for one at home.

After battling brain cancer, Lindsay McCreith is ready for his next fight: He's taking on the Canadian health care system.

His case has potential repercussions on both sides of the border as pressure grows for health reform.

It started when McCreith, a resident of Newmarket, north of Toronto, suffered a seizure last year. He was told in Canada he would have to wait more than four months for an MRI to rule out a malignant tumor.

Rather than wait, McCreith, 66, quickly arranged a trip to Buffalo for a scan. The MRI confirmed his worst fears ?- a cancerous growth that a Buffalo neurosurgeon removed a few weeks later.

"If I had been patient, I'd probably be disabled or dead today," McCreith said.

Now, McCreith is suing the Ontario government in a closely watched constitutional challenge that could reshape universal health coverage in the province by striking down the prohibition against patients buying private insurance.

On this side of the border, advocates of universal health insurance champion Canada's popular public program as a fairer system that the United States should emulate, as seen in Michael Moore film, "Sicko." Yet critics see the long waits for some services in Canada ?- mainly for non-emergency surgery ?- as an argument against an increased role for government in health care.

In Canada, McCreith's story reflects a debate, intensified by the long waiting times, between those who want more for-profit, private care and those who fear the rise of two-tier medicine that undermines the public system.

McCreith offers little doubt about where he stands. "We have universal health coverage," he said. "But it failed me when I needed it the most."

McCreith, a retired auto body shop owner, experienced seizures on Jan. 2, 2006, and was diagnosed with a benign tumor based on a CT scan. A physician at a Canadian hospital declined to order an MRI to rule out a malignancy. McCreith's family doctor agreed to request the more-definitive scan, but McCreith was told he would have to wait over four months for the appointment.

Choosing not to wait

Concerned that the tumor could progress, McCreith on Feb. 2 arranged through Timely Medical Alternatives Inc., a Vancouver, B.C., company that helps patients obtain services outside of Canada's public health care system, to get an MRI in Buffalo the next day. The scan suggested the tumor was malignant, although slow-growing.

A neurologist then referred McCreith to a Canadian neurosurgeon for consideration of a biopsy, which is the only way doctors could definitively determine just how dangerous the tumor was.

This time, the Canadian health system told him the first available appointment for a biopsy was May 9. McCreith viewed his situation with more urgency, especially with the fresh memory of a good friend who died last year while waiting for heart surgery.

So in early March, he stepped outside the Canadian system again and got a biopsy at Millard Fillmore Hospital. During the procedure, the surgeon identified and immediately removed a brain tumor known as a low-grade astrocytoma.

Dr. Elad Levy, the Buffalo neurosurgeon who cared for McCreith, declined to comment specifically on the case, but said that earlier detection and treatment can increase chances of survival and quality of a patient's life.

McCreith said he has spent $45,000, including $28,000 to remove the tumor, for care in the United States that Ontario's Health Insurance Plan refuses to reimburse because he failed to seek pre-approval.

"It can take months to get pre-approval, and why should I need it anyway?" McCreith said.

In Canada, the provinces and federal government pay about 70 percent of medical costs, including most hospital and physician care. Patients and private insurance companies pay the remaining 30 percent for such expenses as prescription drugs, and dental and vision care.

Canada bans private insurance for essential health needs, but it is not a socialized system. Doctors and hospitals are private.

The Canadian system

The Canadian system is unofficially called Medicare, the same name as the U.S. government health plan for seniors, but it's actually 10 separate provincial programs regulated by the federal government.

The social program, known for its fairness and value, remains intricately woven into the fabric of Canadian society.

In 2005, health care spending per capita in Canada was $3,326, nearly half of what the United States spends. Yet Canada fares as well as or better than the United States on comparisons such as life expectancy and infant mortality.

But like any national health system, Canada's has shortcomings that have come under attack, especially long waiting times and related shortages of physicians and high-tech devices like MRIs.

For instance, patients in Ontario wait an average of 22 weeks for cataract surgery and 34 weeks for a hip replacement, according to statistics from the Ontario Ministry of Health.

"Canada is not a medical utopia, as some would have you believe, or a disaster, as others claim," said Jack Tu, a senior scientist at the Toronto-based Institute for Clinical Evaluative Sciences and co-author of a recent study on waiting times.

"Most people get care in a reasonable amount of time. What you hear about are the horror stories," said Tu, whose study in the journal Health Affairs showed that Canada is not doing as good a job of reducing waiting times as other countries with universal coverage.

Those horror stories are turning into court cases.

In 2005, a legal challenge similar to McCreith's paved the way for private insurance in Quebec.

The lawsuit by Dr. Jacques Chaoulli and Georges Zeliotis, a Montreal man who waited a year for a hip replacement, led to a landmark but divided decision by the Supreme Court of Canada. The gist of the ruling is that there must be reasonable waiting times for patients without finances to get care elsewhere if the government insists on making patients stay within a single-payer system.

The case for change

McCreith's case will test that decision in Ontario by claiming that the province's ban on private health insurance and private billing by physicians infringed on his constitutional right to life, liberty and security.

"In Canada, we have a monopoly health system, and you don't have the right to seek alternatives. That can be a huge financial and emotional burden for patients," said Avril Allen, McCreith's attorney.

A recent statement from the Canadian Constitution Foundation, which is helping to sponsor the lawsuit, said that it was intolerable that residents could buy medical insurance for their pets but not for themselves.

"The question is this: Should Canadians have to stay on waiting lists against their will?" Allen said.

Some people say the cases will undo Canada's cherished system of providing health insurance to everyone, a turn of events desired by proponents of privatization.

Others say they will force the government ?- and taxpayers ?- to invest more money to fill in the gaps in the health system.

"If we give up single-payer and allow private care, our health costs will go up and patients in the public system will wait even longer," said Raisa Deber, a health policy expert at the University of Toronto.

She said the United States also rations care but in a less-equitable way: There are 44 million uninsured people who lack access to specialists, and others with insurance who face mounting payments to get care.

In 2004, Canada set up a 10-year, $5.5 billion plan to establish benchmarks and reduce waiting times in such key areas as cancer care, heart procedures and diagnostic imaging. The effort, however, is seemingly at a standstill. The provinces, for instance, have not created waiting time guarantees or common ways to measure waiting times.

"The challenge in Canada is to get anything done on a national level," Tu said.

For McCreith, whose case could go to trial next month, the debate boils down to what he knows from experience.

"I was in the auto body shop business," he said. "If I gave you an appointment four months away, you would go somewhere else. Why should health care be any different?"
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 11:08 am
You'd think if it was that dreadful there'd be someone other than McCreith to reference (already have the case referenced in two other threads).

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There should definitely be more providers in under-serviced areas, but it's not quite as close to collapse up here as the group of articles featuring McCreith might suggest.
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HokieBird
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 11:33 am
I posted it (then edited it out) on another thread. I think there will be more lawsuits challenging the government's position on private health care facilities unless the Guaranteed Wait Times programs are successful.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 12:55 pm
I suppose, this story must be very impressive for US-Americans.

How many MRI's examinations are there per 1.000 in the USA? In Canada?

(We had here 55 per 1.000 in 2001 [latest figure I could find], waiting time here [= in my smaller native town and a bigger city where MIL lives] is up to five working days. Just as anecdotal adding.)
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 05:16 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I suppose, this story must be very impressive for US-Americans.

How many MRI's examinations are there per 1.000 in the USA? In Canada?

(We had here 55 per 1.000 in 2001 [latest figure I could find], waiting time here [= in my smaller native town and a bigger city where MIL lives] is up to five working days. Just as anecdotal adding.)


You keep commenting as though people actually give a **** what healthcare is like in Germany. What could have possibly given you that thought?
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Mame
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 05:20 pm
Wow, what a pleasant and atypical response, McG. Actually, it's good to compare systems and information so improvements can be made on a regular basis.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 05:24 pm
Mame wrote:
Wow, what a pleasant and atypical response, McG. Actually, it's good to compare systems and information so improvements can be made on a regular basis.


Every thread about the problems we have with American healthcare we get to hear the praises of the German system. Frankly, I don't really give a damn about the German healthcare system, how it works, how well it works, when it was created, who pays for or who uses it. If I cared about that I would ask about it in the international forum as Walter expressly asked me to do in threads past.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 05:26 pm
HokieBird wrote:
I think there will be more lawsuits challenging the government's position on private health care facilities unless the Guaranteed Wait Times programs are successful.


Canajuns simply aren't as litigious as Americans.

When I compare the ratio of our files that go to litigation in the U.S. v those in the Canada - it's very disproportionate. Once you factor in the lawsuits originating in Canadian border towns/cities, it's even more striking.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 05:28 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Mame wrote:
Wow, what a pleasant and atypical response, McG. Actually, it's good to compare systems and information so improvements can be made on a regular basis.


Every thread about the problems we have with American healthcare we get to hear the praises of the German system. Frankly, I don't really give a damn about the German healthcare system, how it works, how well it works, when it was created, who pays for or who uses it. If I cared about that I would ask about it in the international forum as Walter expressly asked me to do in threads past.


and you care about the Canadian system?

if you really did, and did the research, you'd be posting something quite different.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 05:30 pm
McGentrix wrote:
If I cared about that I would ask about it in the international forum as Walter expressly asked me to do in threads past.


Canajun healthcare doesn't exactly belong in an American politics forum.

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It seems that you avoid the other option as you know people who are interested in debating you will post there.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 10:42 pm
McGentrix wrote:

You keep commenting as though people actually give a **** what healthcare is like in Germany. What could have possibly given you that thought?


You are quoting and asking about universal healthcare.

I'm giving you details and a couple of personal experiences as well as data from one.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 11:17 pm
Title of the thread says wrote:
Universal healthcare: is it worth the long waits?


And then

McGentrix cleverly wrote:

You keep commenting as though people actually give a **** what healthcare is like in Germany. What could have possibly given you that thought?


Ummmm.....possibly the title of the thread?! Laughing

I will make another comparison - and I lived in the U.S. for ten years, yet am able to receive health care at home in Slovakia as well. Here, I had to wait for 3 1/2 months (MONTHS!) to have my wrist seen by a specialist. I finally got an appointment at 9am. Even though the appointment was for a precise hour, I had to wait in the waiting room for 7 hours to get to the doctor.

I had a check up at a specialist in Slovakia. Saw my district doctor, got a referral, saw the specialist in two days. No waiting. That's the evil universal healthcare for you.
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HokieBird
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 03:52 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
I will make another comparison - and I lived in the U.S. for ten years, yet am able to receive health care at home in Slovakia as well. Here, I had to wait for 3 1/2 months (MONTHS!) to have my wrist seen by a specialist. I finally got an appointment at 9am. Even though the appointment was for a precise hour, I had to wait in the waiting room for 7 hours to get to the doctor.

I had a check up at a specialist in Slovakia. Saw my district doctor, got a referral, saw the specialist in two days. No waiting. That's the evil universal healthcare for you.


Well, if our situations were reversed, my advice to me would be to get my ass back to the U.S.

So...... :wink:

(Unless you're being held here at gun point) Laughing
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 04:07 pm
that's very nice of you HokeBird. Always the gentleman.

That's a brilliant answer to shortcomings in health care system. Or in any other area. Everybody who doesn't like it, leave? That will surely fix all the problems.
You know I lived and paid taxes in the U.S. for over 10 years now. So I will not get my ass back anywhere. I am home. Whether you like it or not-not my problem. And when I'm home, I'll speak up about what I dislike. And I will compare things that I know from first hand experience, because that is the only way how we humans are able to evaluate things.
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HokieBird
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 05:43 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
yet am able to receive health care at home in Slovakia


dagmaraka wrote:
Here, I had to wait for 3 1/2 months (MONTHS!)


My comments were based on the above, which apparently has now changed. Conveniently.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 1 Aug, 2007 05:50 pm
hbird - here (with the three month wait), in dag's post, is the U.S.

As it was in her post - that you quoted.
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