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New Rx Restrictions for Medicaid Patients by US Gov

 
 
Miller
 
Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 08:13 am
Posted on Thu, Jul. 19, 2007
Prescription-pad rule decried

By KEVIN FREKING
The Associated Press

Pharmacist groups are mobilizing in an effort to delay implementation of a new law that requires Medicaid patients be issued prescriptions on tamper-resistant pads.

The law takes effect Oct. 1.

Most doctors, including those in Texas, don't use such pads regularly.

In the end it's the patients who would suffer if they go without their medications while doctors switch to the new pad requirements, said Dr. Paul Convery, Baylor Health Care System's chief medical officer.

"Patients may get caught in [the] middle," he said. "That would be a terrible thing if that happened."

The law is designed to make it harder for patients to obtain controlled drugs illegally and easier for the government to save money. But the quick start date leaves little time to educate doctors and pharmacists.

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"Our members are absolutely flabbergasted that they're going to be put on the hook for denying prescriptions if something is not on a tamperproof pad," said Paul Kelly, vice president of government affairs for the National Association of Chain Drug Stores. "Our biggest fear is the negative impact this could have on patient care and access to prescriptions."

Pharmacists' groups have asked lawmakers and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services to delay putting the law in place.

"Millions of Medicaid beneficiaries may not be able to obtain their medications after Oct. 1," they said in a recent letter to lawmakers. "This could lead to higher Medicaid costs for emergency room visits, hospitalizations and physician office visits if medication cannot be obtained in a timely manner."

Steve Hahn, a spokesman for the centers, said the agency has no plans to change the Oct. 1 date. Meanwhile, it is consulting with healthcare providers and preparing guidance on how to comply with the law.

Several states already require tamperproof prescription pads, Hahn said. They usually require them only for controlled drugs, those easily subject to abuse.

Texas doctors

In Texas, doctors are required to use the tamper-resistant pads only when they write prescriptions for strong narcotics, said Tom Banning, deputy executive director of the Texas Academy of Family Physicians in Austin.

That requirement does not apply to the vast majority of prescriptions that are written.

"What this would do is set up a two-tier system in which one class of patients -- Medicaid patients -- would be required to have tamper-resistant prescription pads while the vast majority would not, " Banning said.

The tamper-resistant pads often contain a chemical that reveals when efforts have been made to alter the paper. For example, the heat from a copier may cause the word 'void' to appear. Sometimes, the pads contain serial numbers that are entered into a computer by the pharmacist so that they can be matched against a doctor's order.

Medicaid is the federal-state partnership that provides health coverage to about 55 million poor people. President Bush had recommended the requirement for tamperproof prescription pads in his 2008 budget.

The Congressional Budget Office projected that the requirement would save taxpayers $355 million over the coming decade, mainly through preventing fraudulent prescriptions.

Staff writer Jan Jarvis contributed to this report.

Online: Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, www.cms.hhs.gov.

Star-telegram.com
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 08:24 am
It is now the third week in July. Are doctors saying that they are unable to switch to tamper proof pads when they have over two months to do so? Doesn't sound very efficient to me!


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"What this would do is set up a two-tier system in which one class of patients -- Medicaid patients -- would be required to have tamper-resistant prescription pads while the vast majority would not, " Banning said.


I see no problem with that. It IS a two tier system. Some people pay for their medications, while others get a gift of them. I think that the government has a right to make sure that if they (and the taxpayers) are footing the bill, that the correct patient gets what is prescribed, and no one uses the free medications to scam the system.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 08:39 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Some people pay for their medications, while others get a gift of them. I think that the government has a right to make sure that if they (and the taxpayers) are footing the bill, that the correct patient gets what is prescribed, and no one uses the free medications to scam the system.


Well, this means that only Medicaid patients are thaught to make illegal changes on their prescriptios?

Or that, if you pay for your prescription, you can change as you like?

Or both?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 08:44 am
Walter- Of course, no one is supposed to change a prescription. I am assuming that the government has found a level of fraud within the Medicaid system serious enough to warrant this regulation. If the taxpayers are paying for something the government has, IMO, the right to regulate it.

Personally, I don't think that anything should need a prescription (for paying customers), but that is an entirely separate issue.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 10:28 am
Your trust in decission made by the government is ... well, yes, one has to believe and accept everything they do.

We got two different kind of prescriptions: one for the privately paid, and one for those from the health insurance companies.

The "private prescriptions' are either re-paid by the private insurances or from the own pocket, while the others got registered in the cashier system and the pharmacy gets the money from the patient's health insurance.

I don't get the point, why paying customers shouldn't need a prescrition and others should, though. Both pay for it, perhaps one less than the other, but nevertheless.
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 10:14 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
It is now the third week in July. Are doctors saying that they are unable to switch to tamper proof pads when they have over two months to do so? Doesn't sound very efficient to me!


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"What this would do is set up a two-tier system in which one class of patients -- Medicaid patients -- would be required to have tamper-resistant prescription pads while the vast majority would not, " Banning said.


I see no problem with that. It IS a two tier system. Some people pay for their medications, while others get a gift of them. I think that the government has a right to make sure that if they (and the taxpayers) are footing the bill, that the correct patient gets what is prescribed, and no one uses the free medications to scam the system.


Many doctors are now using prescription paids tied directly to a computer. They write out the Rx, and the printer then gives the hard copy to the patient, while the original stays in the computer memory.
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 10:17 pm
Another advantage to the computer-generated Rx, is the MD can
e-mail it directly to the pharmacy.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 10:49 pm
Miller wrote:

Many doctors are now using prescription paids tied directly to a computer. They write out the Rx, and the printer then gives the hard copy to the patient, while the original stays in the computer memory.


Many? Now?


When was the computer and printer introduced in the USA? Laughing


Miller wrote:
Another advantage to the computer-generated Rx, is the MD can
e-mail it directly to the pharmacy.


Well, that's not done here.
Some want to choose their pharmacy myself, and sometimes don't know in advance, where they buy the stuff.
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 11:00 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Miller wrote:

Many doctors are now using prescription paids tied directly to a computer. They write out the Rx, and the printer then gives the hard copy to the patient, while the original stays in the computer memory.


Many? Now?


When was the computer introduced in the USA? Laughing


Miller wrote:
Another advantage to the computer-generated Rx, is the MD can
e-mail it directly to the pharmacy.


Well, that's not done here.
Some want to choose their pharmacy myself, and sometimes don't know in advance, where they buy the stuff.


You are obviously neither a pharmacist nor you have ever taken a course on Federal or Massachusetts Pharmacy Law . If you were knowledgable, you'd understand how and why Rxs are prescribed, compounded, and filled by law,as they are in the USA
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 11:04 pm
Well, I never claimed to know or have done such.

May I add that you've obviously no idea how it works (differently/better/worse) elswhere?
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 11:06 pm
I don't understand the problem. The reps from the drug companies are pretty good at furnishing nice, presonalized prescription pads.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 05:07 am
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We got two different kind of prescriptions: one for the privately paid, and one for those from the health insurance companies.


Walter- I don't think that you quite understand. We are not talking about prescriptions paid out of pocket by consumers vs. prescriptions paid for through private health insurance (which consumers pay for).

What is being discussed is people who pay for prescriptions either privately, or through private insurance, vs. people who have their prescriptions paid for by the government, because they do not have the money to pay for the medications themselves.

In the case of people who are on Medicaid, it is the taxpayers who foot the bill. There are some people on Medicaid, who have learned to "work the system", and acquire things to which they are not entitled.I would suspect that this is the reason for the special prescription pads.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 05:47 am
roger wrote:
I don't understand the problem. The reps from the drug companies are pretty good at furnishing nice, presonalized prescription pads.


Those nice, personalized prescription pads were nice little items to steal by those in nice of quick drugs for their narcotic habits.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 05:47 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
What is being discussed is people who pay for prescriptions either privately, or through private insurance, vs. people who have their prescriptions paid for by the government, because they do not have the money to pay for the medications themselves.


I did understand that.

It really seems to be a difference between prescriptions here and in the USA: here, any is the same, if paid by the compulsary health service (you can't see how much persons paid for that - from $800/month to nothing) or by a private heath insurance or paying it our of the pocket.
Prescriptions are about need drugs for people, not about their income.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 05:51 am
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Prescriptions are about need drugs for people, not about their income.


Very true, however the State needs a way to account for all drugs dispensed to those on medicaid .
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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 05:53 am
Miller wrote:
Another advantage to the computer-generated Rx, is the MD can
e-mail it directly to the pharmacy.


If you phone the MD on call for your physician late at night, he/she can send the Rx via computer/internet to an all night pharmacy in your town.

This is something new and certainly a big advatage to the patient, as well as a method for decreasing the number of phony calls made to pharmacies by druggies looking for a quick fix.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 05:56 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Well, I never claimed to know or have done such.

May I add that you've obviously no idea how it works (differently/better/worse) elswhere?


If you mean Germany, there's no reason why I should know anything about pharmacy law in Germany, if such a topic does indeed exist.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 05:58 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
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We got two different kind of prescriptions: one for the privately paid, and one for those from the health insurance companies.


Walter- I don't think that you quite understand. We are not talking about prescriptions paid out of pocket by consumers vs. prescriptions paid for through private health insurance (which consumers pay for).

What is being discussed is people who pay for prescriptions either privately, or through private insurance, vs. people who have their prescriptions paid for by the government, because they do not have the money to pay for the medications themselves.

In the case of people who are on Medicaid, it is the taxpayers who foot the bill. There are some people on Medicaid, who have learned to "work the system", and acquire things to which they are not entitled.I would suspect that this is the reason for the special prescription pads.


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There have been many cases, where medicaid recipients have filled their Rxs and then gone out on the street, jacked up their prices and sold them at a greater than 100% profit.
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