HOW TO GET TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE

Diest TKO wrote:

Honestly, Sam, Bill, and Ralf could, and it wouldn't take a God to do it.

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All it would take is a halfway competent editor (of which there were SEVERAL).

Diest TKO wrote:

Honestly, Sam, Bill, and Ralf could, and it wouldn't take a God to do it.

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All it would take is a halfway competent editor (of which there were SEVERAL).

maporsche wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Honestly, Sam, Bill, and Ralf could, and it wouldn't take a God to do it.

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All it would take is a halfway competent editor (of which there were SEVERAL).

Add to that that Frodo is making **** up. No one, absolutely no one, knows how many authors there were. We do know for a fact that there was a major revision of the Pentateuch after the Babylonian captivity. Since it was considered divinely inspired, no portion was rejected, which accounts for the inclusion of repetitive and contradictory passages--the editors were trying to reconcile texts which did not agree. What the Christians call the "Old Testament" derives from translations to Greek in the 3rd century CE--and that despite the fact that the Jews did not decide upon a canonical text until more than two centuries later, when the texts were revised in the late 5th and early 6th centuries CE.

Of course, what is pathetic is that Frodo responds now twice to my question, after having ignored it literally for weeks. I'd say Diest is right, Frodo doesn't read other people's post, unless they are short and sweet, and he ignores those posts for weeks on end. Really a pathetic performance.

back it up Frodo.

Diest TKO wrote:

back it up Frodo.

what would you like me to back up?

XFRODOBAGGINSX wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

back it up Frodo.

what would you like me to back up?

If it wasn't obvious enough, I'd like you to back up that Setanta's post is incorrect. You claim he made stuff up. Now back it up.

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Diest TKO wrote:

XFRODOBAGGINSX wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

back it up Frodo.

what would you like me to back up?

If it wasn't obvious enough, I'd like you to back up that Setanta's post is incorrect. You claim he made stuff up. Now back it up.

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So he can say that I am making stuff up and not have to prove it? I think that I have shown you why he is wrong. What more would you like to know?

Jews did not decide upon a canonical text until more than two centuries later, when the texts were revised in the late 5th and early 6th centuries CE.

I hate to be in the position of defending Frodo, considering that he has failed to realize that the hope for the majority of mankind is not heaven, but life on earth, and the consequence of disobedience is not eternal torture but death. Nevertheless, Set has provided more than a few sweeping and unsupported statements from authority, not the least of which is this asseveration:

Setanta wrote:

Jews did not decide upon a canonical text until more than two centuries later, when the texts were revised in the late 5th and early 6th centuries CE.

How could decisions made by the Jews in the 5th century affect the OT texts accepted by Christians in the 2nd century?

The original Hebrew script developed alongside others in the region during the course of the late second and first millennia BCE; it is closely related to the Phoenician script, which itself probably gave rise to the use of alphabetic writing in Greece (Greek). It is sometimes claimed that around the 10th century BCE, a distinct Hebrew variant, the original "Hebrew script", emerged, which was widely used in the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah until they fell in the 8th and 6th centuries BCE, respectively. It is not straightforward, however, to distinguish Israelite/Judahite scripts from others which were in use in the immediate area, most notably by the Moabites and Ammonites.

Following the Babylonian exile, Jews gradually stopped using the Hebrew script, and instead adopted the Aramaic script (another offshoot of the same family of scripts). This script, used for writing Hebrew, later evolved into the Jewish, or "square" script, that is still used today. Closely related scripts were in use all over the Middle East for several hundred years, but following the rise of Christianity (and later, the rise of Islam), they gave way to the Roman and Arabic alphabets, respectively.

Now this fact creates a dilemma for our religious leaders.. On the one hand they cannot deny the transliteration for it is confirmed by the Talmud. On the other hand they are reluctant to accept it for it runs counter to a fundamental dogma in Judaism, namely, that the entire Torah which we now possess is the same that was given to Moses.

Particular attention was now paid to the ancestral literature; and thus there arose during the Babylonian Exile the profession of the "scribes," those learned in the Law who set the standard of piety and devotion, and who transmitted their precepts both to their successors and to the people at large, while at the same time extending the body of the laws by means of revision and amplification (see Pentateuch). (emphasis added)

According to the Documentary hypothesis, the Biblical claims for the Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch are false. Rather, the first five books of the Bible are made up of many fragments by different authors. The earliest, the Jahwist (J), was an unknown writer who lived in the Southern Kingdom of Judah in about 850 B.C., either 440 or 600 years after the time of Moses, depending upon one's dating of the Exodus. The Elohist (E) was supposed to have been an unknown writer in the Northern Kingdom of Israel who lived around 750 B.C. The writings of J and E were combined a hundred years later by an unknown redactor. Then, according to this hypothesis, in 621 B.C., the Deuteronomic writer (D) composed the book of Deuteronomy during the reforms of King Josiah. Finally, in about 570 B.C., the Priestly writer (P) wrote various sections of the Pentateuch concerned with genealogical lists and the details of the sacrificial system.

These views, which were advocated by Julius Wellhausen, gained a strong foothold in the field of Biblical studies during the twentieth century, despite the fact that both the Pentateuch and many other parts of the Bible specifically state that Moses wrote the Pentateuch. However, there is abundant evidence disconfirming the Documentary hypothesis.

In several of the footnotes, there is reference to the fact that the additions were made by ancient editors, most notably Ezra.

Irenaeus states that when the Jews returned home in the time of Artaxerxes, God inspired Ezra the priest to compose anew all the discourses of the ancient prophets, and to restore to the peoples the laws of Moses. One of the principal works of Ezra was the settling of the canon of Scripture and restoring, correcting, and editing the whole sacred volume.

To get to heaven.

Drive to Raleigh NC by the best route from your current position.

Get on 540, go to it's end and wait for the construction finish. Be patient.

Believe me, when it's finally complete, that will be the day of Christ's return. Your patience and vigilance wil surely be rewarded by a seat at our Lord's table.