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HOW TO GET TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 10:59 pm
Do you understand anything about logic? You can't use the same source to confirm any claims made.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 11:01 pm
If I compose a book and claim that the planet xyz is green, I can't use the same book and say it's green.

That's not evidence or confirmation of any claim. That's fiction.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 11:20 pm
Drunk
It hurts, so much comedy in this thread. Frodo, please, I beg of you... Seriously... this is me begging. Please tell us that the statue of liberty is holding a bible. Please! Please! Please!

I'm Begging you.

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xingu
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2007 04:41 am
XFRODOBAGGINSX
It's not realistic to think the Bible is inerrant. To many copies by to many people with religious agendas means the original text and meaning are lost forever. Even with what text we have today there are so many translations of the Bible that one can't be sure which one is the most accurate.

Here is an excerpt from The Jeremiah Dilemma.

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In Cave 4, 157 fragmentary biblical texts were retrieved, among which is every book of the Hebrew canon, save Esther (and Nehemiah, which at that time was considered as one book with Ezra). Eventually, these Cave 4 fragments revealed a different story about the copying and transmission of Old Testament writings. In some cases, especially 1-2 Samuel, Jeremiah, and Exodus, the fragments brought to light forms or recensions of biblical books that differed from the medieval Masoretic tradition. For instance, one text turned out to be a shorter Hebrew form of Jeremiah, previously known only in its Greek version in the Septuagint. It now seems that the fuller form of Masoretic tradition represents a Palestinian rewording of the book. Another from Cave 4, written in paleo-Hebrew script and dated from the early second century B.C., contains the repetitious expanded form of Exodus previously known only in Samaritan writings, ("The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Bible: After Forty Years," America, October 31, 1987, p. 302, emphasis added).

This "different story" told by the discoveries in Cave Four at Qumran is a story that Bible inerrantists have been conspicuously silent about, probably because it puts to rest all notions of scrupulously meticulous ancient scribes who counted all the letters in the copies they made to be sure that no mistakes had occurred. The Cave Four discoveries tell us that mistakes were not only made but that textual changes were also made with probable deliberation.


http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1990/4/4jerem90.html
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2007 10:58 am
XFRODOBAGGINSX wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Hey Frodo, you've never answered my question.

How do you know that every word of the Bible is true?


1)Because there are no contradictions, nor errors.

2) Because of the hundreds of predictions in it that have come true.

3) Because of the fact that 40 men wrote the bible over a span of 1,500 years, lived in different parts of the world, different walks of life and it still fits together perfectly.

4)Because of my own personal relationship with the God of the bible and what He has done for me and in my family.


That is not an answer to my question--this is why you want to believe that every word of the Bobble is true. Leaving aside the indisputable fact that you have only interpreted scripture in such a way as to allege that there are no contradictions or that prophecies were fulfilled, or that it "fits together perfectly"; leaving aside that you have absolutely no sound basis upon which to allege how many authors, sources or years were necessary to produce the book; leaving aside that self-delusion is as likely an explanation as that your boy god has a personal relationship with you and has helped you and your family . . .

It is not evidence for you to state that you know that every word of the Bobble is true.
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XFRODOBAGGINSX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2007 10:09 pm
Yes, that IS the answer and everything I said in my statement is true and provable. Where do you get your information that it's NOT true?
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2007 10:21 pm
XFRODOBAGGINSX wrote:
Yes, that IS the answer and everything I said in my statement is true and provable. Where do you get your information that it's NOT true?
Well, for one thing, you assume that the hope for humans is to live in heaven when even Jesus told us the 'meek would inherit the earth.' (Matthew 5:5)
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 06:09 am
XFRODOBAGGINSX wrote:
Yes, that IS the answer and everything I said in my statement is true and provable. Where do you get your information that it's NOT true?


No, no . . . that's not how logical debate works. If you make a claim, you have the burden of proof, i'm not obliged to disprove it.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 06:48 am
interesting, you use the bible as your source to prove the predictions it made, it having been written after the events happened

that's a little like giving me last weeks lottery numbers
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Coolwhip
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 07:33 am
It's called a circular argument, frodo is quite good at it.
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The Pentacle Queen
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 08:20 am
Does anyone ever wonder what people like frodo are like in real life?
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Coolwhip
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 10:29 am
Well... you rarely meet people who never leave their house.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 07:53 pm
The Pentacle Queen wrote:
Does anyone ever wonder what people like frodo are like in real life?


Frodo inside of real life is an even funnier thought.


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Oh snap!
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maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 09:00 pm
Diest TKO wrote:
The Pentacle Queen wrote:
Does anyone ever wonder what people like frodo are like in real life?


Frodo inside of real life is an even funnier thought.


T
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Oh snap!



Laughing
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XFRODOBAGGINSX
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 10:22 pm
Setanta wrote:
Setanta wrote:
XFRODOBAGGINSX wrote:
The bible is 100% true and God's word.


Why should anyone believe this?


Just thought i'd bring this to your attention again, Ringbearer.


The bible was written by God through 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. These men lived in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor, some were educated, some were not, most didn't know each other, nor did they have access to the other's writings and yet it fits together as if it were written by one person. It was written by God. It has no errors or contradictions. It is the Word of God. The bible is accurate in matters of Science, History, and all matters of life.
There are countless prophecies which have been predicted and fulfilled perfectly in scripture. Many of these prophecies were written hundreds or even thousands of years before they were fulfilled.
Here are some prophecies concerning Jesus Christ's first comming:
FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=jesus-vel-nub2.bmp (257366 bytes)" Prophecies of the Old TestamentFulfilled in Jesus ChristProphecies of the OT Fulfilled in Jesus the Messiah and His churcha total of 1,09350 Specific Prophecies Fulfilled in JesusThe Jewish MysteryThe Messiah, the Christ in GreekLinksProphecies of the OT Fulfilled in Jesus Christ:There have been described in the Old Testament 300 prophecies of the first coming of the Messiah and 500 of the second coming, all of then made hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus and fulfilled to the letter in Jesus Christ, the Messiah.George Heron, a French mathematician, calculated that the odds of one man fulfilling only 40 of those prophecies are 1 in 10 to the power of 157. That is a 1 followed by 157 zeros. Compare it to this; your odds on winning the state lottery are 14 followed by 6 zeros. Another mathematician, Dr. Peter S. Ruckman, claims the odds of being fulfilled only 60 of them by the only person who claimed to be the Son of God, and who died on a "tree" on Calvary, and who rose the 3rd day are astronomical!... not just one in one trillion, but one out of ten to the 895th power. That is a one over a one followed by 895 zeros. And still more, because every page of the Old Testament talks and prophecies and characterizes the coming of the Messiah, the Christ in Greek... so, there are actually thousands of prophecies on the coming of the Messiah, all of them fulfilled to the letter in Jesus Christ and His Church as they are shown in this site.Philip found Nathanael and told him, "We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote--Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. (Jn.1:45)If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me (Jn.5:46).And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. (Lk.24:27)He said to them, This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms. (Lk.24:44).He told them, This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, (Lk.24:46).Prophecies and types of each book of the Bible fulfilled in Jesus Christ and His Church, a total of 1,09392 Prophecies of the Psalms fulfilled in Jesus Christ121 Prophecies of Isaiah fulfilled in Jesus ChristHere are just 50 of those thousand Prophecies:Ancestors:1- The "seed of a woman": Genesis 3:15.... Galatians 4:4.Jesus was born of Virgin Mary without any man involved in His conception (Is.7:14, Mat.1:23, Lk.1:27).- Gen.3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.- Gal.4:4 But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law. (Luk.2:7; Rev.12:5)2- Descendent of Abraham: Genesis 12:3, 18:18.... Acts 3:25, Matthew 1:1.- Gen. 18:18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. (Gen. 12:3) - Act. 3:25 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, "Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed." (Mt.1:1; Lk.3:34) 3- Descendent of Isaac: Gen.17:19, Luc.3:34.- Gen.17:19 Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him." -Mt.1:2 Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers. (Lk.3:34)4- Descendent of Jacob: Numbers 24:17...... Luke 3:34, Matt.1:2.- Num.24:17 I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel. He will crush the foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the sons of Sheth. - Lk.3:34 The son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor. (Mt.1:2) 5-- From the Tribe of Judah: Genesis 49:10, Luke 3:33.- Gen.49:10 The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his. - Lk.3:33 The son of Amminadab, the son of Ram, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah. (Mt.1:2-3) 6- Hair of the Throne of David: Isaiah 9:7.... Luke 1:32-33.- Isa.9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this. (Isa.11:1-5; 2Sam.7:13)- Luk.1:32-33: He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end." (Mt.1:1, 1:6) Birth and Childhood:7- Born in Bethlehem: Micah 5:2.... Matthew 2:1.... Luke 2:4-7.- Mic.5:2 But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from ancient times. - Mt.2:1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem. (Lk.2:4-7)8- To be born of a Virgin: Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:18.... Luke 1:26-35.- Isa.7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. - Mt.1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: his mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. (Lk.1:26-35) 9- Time of his birth: Daniel 9:25.... Luke 2:1: - Dan.9:25 Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven "sevens" and sixty two "sevens." It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. - Lk 2:1-2 In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. (This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was the governor of Syria.) (Lk 2:3-7) - Mat.2:1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem10- Slaughter of the Innocent children: Jeremiah 31:15.... Matthew 2:16-18.- Jer.31:15 This is what the Lord says: "A voice is heard in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because her children are no more." - Mt.2:16 When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi. (Mt 2:16-18) 11- Flight to Egypt: Hosea 11:1.... Matthew 2:14-15.- Hos.11:1 When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son - Mt.2:14 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt. (Mt 2:15) 12- He shall be called a Nazarene: Judges 13:5.... Matthew 2:23.- Jud.13:5 for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God- Mt.2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a NazarenePassion:13- Triumphal entry in Jerusalem on a donkey: Zechariah 9:9.... John 12:13-14.- Zec.9:9 Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey. (Isa.62:11)- Jn.12:13-14 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, "Hosanna!" "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!" "Blessed is the King of Israel!" Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written. (Mt.21:1-11; Jn.12:12, Mk.11:7-9.) 14- Entry through the "Golden Gate", that shall be shut for ever after his entrance: Ezekiel 44:1-2.... Mark 11:7-8. On Palm Sunday Jesus entered Jerusalem through the Golden Gate. When you go to Jerusalem look at the Golden Gate, it is shut with stone and cement, and with a Muslim cemetery in its front, through which a Jewish Messiah will never pass.- Ez.44:1-2 Then the man brought me back to the outer gate of the sanctuary, the one facing east, and it was shut. 2 The LORD said to me, "This gate is to remain shut. It must not be opened; no one may enter through it. It is to remain shut because the LORD , the God of Israel, has entered through it. - Mk.11:7-8 When they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their cloaks over it, he sat on it. Many people spread their cloaks on the road, while others spread branches they had cut in the fields. 15- Betrayed by a friend, for 30 pieces of silver: Zechariah 11:12, Psalm 41:9... Mark 14:10, Matthew 26:14-15.- Ps.41:9 Even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me. - Mk.14:10 Then Judas Iscariot, one of the Twelve, went to the chief priests to betray Jesus to them. (Mt.26:14-16; Mk.14:43-45) - Zec.11:12 I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. (Zec.11:13) - Mt.26:15 And asked, "What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?" So they counted out for him thirty silver coins. (Mt 27:3-10) 16- Money to be returned for a potter's field: Zechariah 11:13.... Matthew 27:6-7.- Zec.11:13 And the Lord said to me, "Throw it to the potter"- the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord to the potter. - Mt.27:6-7 The chief priests picked up the coins and said, "It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money." So they decided to use the money to buy the potter's field as a burial place for foreigners. (Mt.27:3-5,8-10) 17- Judas's position to be taken by another: Psalm 109:7-8.... Acts 1:18-20. - Ps.109:7-8 When he is tried, let him be found guilty, and may his prayers condemn him. May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership- Act.1:18-20 (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) "For, " said Peter, "It is written in the book of Psalms, "'May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "'May another take his place of leadership.'" (Ac 1:16-17) 18- Accused by false witnesses: Psalms .27:12, 35:11.... Mt 26:60-61, Mk.14:57.- Ps.27:12 Do not turn me over to the desire of my foes, for false witnesses rise up against me, breathing out violence. (Ps.35:11) - Mt.26:60-61 But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward. Finally two men came forward and declared, "This fellow said, 'I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.'"19- Silent to accusations: Isaiah 53:7.... Matthew 26:62-63, Mark.15:4-5.- Isa.53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. (Ps.38:13-14) - Mt 26:62-63 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, "Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?" But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God!" (Mt 27:12-14, Mk.15:4-5) 20 - Spat and struck: Isaiah 50:6, Matthew 26:67.- Isa.50:6 I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.- Mk.14:65 Then some began to spit at him; they blindfolded him struck him with their fists, and said, "Prophesy!" And the guards took him and beat him. (Mt.26:27, Mk.15:17; Jn 19:1-3; 18:22) 21- Hated without reason: Psalms 69:4, 35:19, 109:3-5.... John.15:24-25.- Ps 69:4 Those who hate me without reason outnumber the hairs of my head; many are my enemies without cause, those who seek to destroy me. I am forced to restore what I did not steal. (Ps.35:19, 109:3-5) - Jn.15:23-25 He who hates me hates my Father as well. If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: "They hated me without reason." 22- Soldiers divided his garments and gambled for his clothing: Psalm 22:18... Matt.27:35 (2 Prophecies)- Ps 22:18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.- Mt.27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots (Mk.15:24). 23- Crucified, "pierced through hands and feet": Zechariah 12:10, Psalm 22:16.... Matthew 27:35, John 20:27.- Ps.22:16 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. (Zec.12:10)- Mt.27:35 And they crucified him.- Jn. 20:25-26 Now Thomas (called Didymus)... he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it." (Jn.19:37, 20:27)24- Crucified with malefactors: Isaiah 53:12.... Mark 15:27-28.- Isa.53:12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.- Mt 27:38 Two robbers were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left. (Mk 15:27-28; Lk 23:33) 25- Agonized in Thirst: Psalm 22:15.... John 19:28.- Ps.22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.- Jn.19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.26- Given gall and vinegar: Psalm 69:21.... Matthew 27:34, 48, John 19:19.- Ps.69:21 They put gall in my food and gave me vinegar for my thirst. - Mat.27:34 They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink (Jn.19:29, Mat.27:48). 27- No bones broken: Psalm 34:20.... John 19:32-36.- Ps 34:20 He protects all his bones, not one of them will be broken. (Ex 12:46) - Jn 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.28- His side pierced: Zechariah 12:10.... John 19:34.- Zec.12:10 They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. - Jn 19:34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 29- Deserted by God: Psalm 22:1.... Matthew 27:46. - Ps.22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? - Mat.27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?30- Vicarious Sacrifice: Isaiah 53:4-5, 6, 12.... Matthew 8:16-17, Romans 4:25, 5:6-8, 1 Corinthians 15:3.- Isa.53:4-5 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. (Is. 53:6, 12) - Mt.8:16-17 When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick. This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases." (Ro 4:25, 5:6-8, 1Cor 15:3) 31- Buried with the rich: Isaiah 53:9, Matthew 27:57-60.- Isa.53:9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.- Mt.27:57-60 As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away32- Deserted by his followers: Zechariah 13:7.... Mark 14:27.- Zec.13:7 smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.- Mk.14:27 And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.33- Time of his death: Daniel 9:25.... Luke 2:1, Matthew 2:1: - Doing the proper computations, the Messiah was supposed to die on April 3, of the year 33 AC (Open Bible pag.833)34- Resurrection of Jesus: Hosea 6:2, Psalms 16:10, 49:15..... Luke 24:6-7, Mark.16:6-7.- Hos.6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.- Lk.24:6-7 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.35- Other dead raised with Him: Isaiah 26:19, Ezekiel 37:7-10..... Matthew 27:52-53.- Isa.26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. - Ez.37:7-10 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.- Mat.27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.36- Ascension to Heaven: Psalms 68:18, 24:3.....Lk 24:50-51, Acts 1:11, Mk.16:19.- Ps.68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.- Ps.24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?- Lk 24:50-51 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them. While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven - Act.1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.37- Christ at the Right hand of the Father: Psalm 110:1..... Hebrews 1:2,3.- Ps.110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.- Heb.1:2,3 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;Ministry:38- The way prepared by John the Baptist: Isaiah 40:3,5.... John 1:23, Luke 3:3-6.- Isa.40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.- Jn.1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Isaiah39- Preceded by a forerunner: Mal.3:1, Luk.7:24-27.40- Preceded by Elijah: Mal.4:5-6, Matt.11:13-14.41- Declared the Son of God: Ps.2:7, Matt.3:17.42- Galilean Ministry: Is.9:1-2, Matt.4:13-16.43- Speaks in Parables: Ps.78:2-4, Matt.13:34-35.44- A Prophet: Deut.18:15, Jn.6:14, Acts 3:20-22.45- Priest after the Order of Melchizedek: Ps.110:4, Heb.5:5-6.46- To bind up the brokenhearted: Is.61:1-2, Luk.4:18-19.47- Rejected by his own people, the Jews: Is.53:3, John 1:11.48- Not believed: Is.53:1, John 12:37.49- Adored by infants: Ps.8:2, Matt.21:15--16.50- Anointed and eternal: Ps.45:6-7, Heb.1:8-12.



Think about it. Could Sam write a book in California, and Bill write a book in Canada, and Ralf write a book in Mexico and it fit together as one book? The bible did this 40 times, 66 books! It's God's word.
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XFRODOBAGGINSX
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 10:34 pm
The Pentacle Queen wrote:
Does anyone ever wonder what people like frodo are like in real life?


Perhaps I have black, greasy hair with a tight button up dress shirt on with horn rimmed glasses with tape in the middle, floody dress pants on, and don't shower much.

Or perhaps I am just an ordinary guy who just happens to know God personally and knows that you are wrong and even feel sorry for you knowing your fate if you don't accept Jesus.

I have seen God do so many miracles in my family and my life and there is NO WAY in the world you could convince me that it wasn't the Lord, the God of the bible.

All of those prophecies in the bible were fulfilled perfectly, all of the miracles done by Jesus, Him dying on the cross and rising from the dead. The explosion of Christianity right after the resurrection. The fact that He had so many enemies, yet none of them had any writings to refute the fact that He actually died on the cross and rose from the dead. I have come to the realization that some people won't believe even if someone came back from the dead and told them about it. All I can do is warn people and what they choose to do with the information is up to them. I pray that you will choose life for your own sake.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 11:34 pm
XFRODOBAGGINSX wrote:
The bible was written by God through 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. These men lived in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor, some were educated, some were not, most didn't know each other, nor did they have access to the other's writings and yet it fits together as if it were written by one person.

It appears you haven't read anyone elses posts. I think that CI posted a list of things just as a small example. The book does not fit together as well as you blindly claim.

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Think about it. Could Sam write a book in California, and Bill write a book in Canada, and Ralf write a book in Mexico and it fit together as one book? The bible did this 40 times, 66 books! It's God's word.

Honestly, Sam, Bill, and Ralf could, and it wouldn't take a God to do it.

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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 11:37 pm
XFRODOBAGGINSX wrote:

Perhaps I have black, greasy hair with a tight button up dress shirt on with horn rimmed glasses with tape in the middle, floody dress pants on, and don't shower much.

Or perhaps I am just an ordinary guy who just happens to know God personally and knows that you are wrong and even feel sorry for you knowing your fate if you don't accept Jesus.


Perhaps. However I'd wager that you're just another scared fool. BTW, I like your use of brand to make opposite examples of nerds and christians in your post.

"Perhaps I'm a nerd. Or perhaps I'm a ordinary default christian."

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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2007 04:00 am
Here's an example of how the Catholic Church scares people into believing. You get one chance in life. No reincarnation. If you don't get it than think of hell.

I'm not picking on the Catholics. Protestants do the same and, in some cases, with more vengeance.

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Jesus' Teaching Concerning Hell
(Homily 16th Sunday, A)
When nothing else works, people will sometimes call a priest. Once these parents were concerned because their son had fallen into a self-destructive lifestyle. Much of his time was spent in drinking and pornography. He was just not motivated to do anything with his life.

After some small talk the priest asked him, "Do you believe in God?"

The young man responded, "Yes, Father, I do believe in God."

So the priest continued, "Don't you know that you will have to stand before God and he will review your whole life?"

"Yes," he said, "But God will accept me no matter what I do."

The young man had gone thru twelve years of Catholic schools. He had some vague ideas about people sitting around in heaven, but he had never considered the possibility of not getting there. Heaven just seemed automatic. Even tho he had heard about hell he thought it could only happen to some famous evil person like Hitler or Lenin. After all, he reasoned, "I haven't done anything so bad. I haven't hurt anybody."

Now, the sad part of this was not just that this young man had missed one of Jesus' teachings, but in the process he did not grasp the seriousness of this life. The tremendous importance, really the eternal importance, of each and every decision we make. This life is the one chance we have. It might be nice to think, for example, we will have a whole series of reincarnations where we can do better, but that is not what Jesus teaches.

Jesus has no time for wishful thinking. He tried to wake people up, not lull them asleep. Jesus talked to people about heaven, but he never said to anyone, "here's a free pass; now go ahead and do whatever you want." In today's Gospel Jesus makes it crystal clear that besides the beautiful hope of heaven there is also the terrible reality of hell. That doesn't mean you or I can say this person is destined for heaven and another for hell. Leave it to God to sort those things out. Jesus says He will send his angels one day to separate the good grain from useless plants. The wheat, the plants that produce something edible, will be taken into heaven. The weeds--the plants that choke others--will have a different fate. (see Mt 13:30) In some ways it is so fearful I shrink from saying it. Yet the words are not mine, but from Jesus' own lips, "they will throw them into the fiery furnace where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth."

I'll be honest with you. I do not like talking about hell. I do not even like thinking about it. I wish that I could tell you it is just something they made up in the Middle Ages to scare people and that we don't need to worry about it today. But the doctrine of hell did not begin in the Middle Ages. It was taught by Jesus himself. Today's Gospel is just one example. Jesus alerts us about the danger of hell and he does so in the most vivid language. He speaks about a fire which cannot be put out.

Eternal fire is an awfully frightening image, but Jesus' followers did not try to brush it aside. St. Paul, for example, mentions specific sins which keep a person out of heaven. The Catechism does not downplay the doctrine of hell. It says, "To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice." (#1033). The Catechism defines hell as the "state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed."

The key word here is obviously "self-exclusion." Sometimes people worry they are going to hell and there is nothing they can do about it. Hell is self-exclusion. It depends on our own choice. St. Paul mentions certain ones who cannot enter heaven: fornicators (that is, sex before marriage), adulterers, practicing homosexuals, drunkards and robbers. (I Cor 6:10) But while St. Paul gives a strong warning, he also makes it clear in the very next verse that it is possible for any of those people to repent. "Such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus."

What we are talking about here is grace. God's free gift. The fact someone has indulged in self-destructive behavior does not necessarily mean they are destroyed. If we simply turn to God, he can pull us from the path of destruction, set us on the road to life. That is what happened to the young man I told you about at the beginning. It wasn't that he went on to become a monk or that he never had any more problems. But he did do something that day: he made a heart felt prayer.


http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2964/self-exclusion.html

So that's the basic message of Christianity (Neo excluded). You have one chance to get it right and you better pick the right religion or else it's hellfire or being case off into oblivion.

That's how God shows his love for us. I'll put you here one time only; get it right or damn you.

If God is our father and we his children would his example be a good model for today's parents?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2007 05:34 am
Diest TKO wrote:

Honestly, Sam, Bill, and Ralf could, and it wouldn't take a God to do it.

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All it would take is a halfway competent editor (of which there were SEVERAL).
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