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What do people think of this new trade agreement?

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I've been hearing bad stuff about it.

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@Kolyo,

I have only read bad reports about it. If I had a say, I would vote it down.

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If it were only about free trade between the 11 nations, it wouldn't bother me so much.

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@Kolyo,

Kolyo wrote:

What do people think of this new trade agreement?

Good move.

If passed, it'll improve the economy for all involved and will inspire more responsible behavior from the Chinese government, who will hope that they might also be allowed to join.

If both this and the free trade deal with Europe pass, the US will be set up with a decent economy for most of the coming century.

Kolyo wrote:

I've been hearing bad stuff about it.

Best to not pay attention to the rambling of deranged extremists.

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@Kolyo,

What bad stuff have you been hearing?

If you are in the US, these agreements are generally positive. There are few barriers in the US to protect local manufacturing so trade agreements tend to reduce barriers in other countries to be as low as those in the US providing US manufacturers with a level playing field.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

What bad stuff have you been hearing?

If you are in the US, these agreements are generally positive.

Don't forget that a2k is, as Wilso says, international.

I have many concerns about the TPP, but I'll start with an Australian concern:

From: http://prospect.org/article/stealth-attack-democratic-governance#main-content
(p. 3)

Lori Wallach wrote:

Thanks to a leak, we know that U.S. negotiators are proposing to roll back even the modest trade-pact access to medicine reforms obtained during the George W. Bush administration.

The U.S. proposal could also undermine the drug formularies of Australia, New Zealand, and other countries that have successfully controlled drug costs. This could also boomerang home. State officials participating in the development of formulary rules for Medicare and Medicaid have reacted with alarm about how this proposal could undermine hard-won gains in the epic health-care reform battle.

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@oralloy,

I'm surprise the moderators haven't banned you, after what you said about Izzy's daughter.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

If you are in the US, these agreements are generally positive.

...and, if you're not in the US, as, surprisingly, some people aren't, then you're trying to bargain with a bully.

In my area, pharmaceuticals, there's considerable concern that we'll end up with a similar system to that of the US, which, frankly, stinks.

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@Kolyo,

Kolyo wrote:

I'm surprise the moderators haven't banned you, after what you said about Izzy's daughter.

Kind of way off topic, but it's your own thread that you're diverting I guess.

Are you also surprised that the moderators have not banned izzythepush for his much more egregious attacks against me (attacks which are actually unprovoked by any action on my part)?

Or is your surprise hypocritical in nature, seeing no problem with his much more egregious attacks against me, and focusing solely on my entirely-justified retaliation to those attacks?

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@engineer,

I'm glad you decided to participate in this thread.

The "PRO" position should have someone respectable like yourself representing it.

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@margo,

margo wrote:

In my area, pharmaceuticals, there's considerable concern that we'll end up with a similar system to that of the US, which, frankly, stinks.

The problem is the way the industry is funded. Right now research for future medicine is funded by the profits gained by selling current medicine. This causes pressure to ensure that drug companies can make a large profit off the medicine they sell.

Probably the best way to avoid high drug costs will ultimately be to change the system and have research for new medicine funded by government agencies -- perhaps even internationally funded through a UN body.

(Before someone accuses me of socialism, I'm not proposing banning private research if people want to conduct such. I'm just suggesting that public research might start happening also.)

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@Kolyo,

Kolyo wrote:

I'm glad you decided to participate in this thread.
The "PRO" position should have some respectable like yourself representing it.

Too bad for your side that they've got such a disreputable hypocrite on the team.

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@engineer,

engineer: providing US manufacturers with a level playing field.

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The history of the US is not at all about level playing fields. This continues in the present.

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@Kolyo,

He can say what he wants. He's a sad middle aged virgin who still lives with his parents. You couldn't get more pathetic if you tried.

When he talks about abuse, he's always very specific, which probably indicates he's either witnessed, experienced, or perpetrated it himself. That would explain why he's such a disgusting screw up. I pay no attention to such a repulsive creature.

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