When has religion irked you personally and why?

Thanks husker, I didn't really have the patience...

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maliagar wrote:

Can you quote ONE time in which I defended my faith resorting to biblical quotations?

[Please, don't take the path taken by Frankie, Craven, LightWeight, JLNobody and others, who wouldn't provide evidence for the things they said...

If you can't bring ONE example in support of what you just said, you know what that means...]

cavfancier wrote:
Genuine interest, maliagar, how you would defend the challenge on questions of your own faith, without resorting to biblical quotations. In short, I am asking you for an opinion, not a diatribe.

Gosh, this sounds just like Maliagar's challenge to show "one" example of the god of the Bible making a mistake.

Then when people showed a mistake, Maliagar goes into one of his denial modes -- and changes the meaning of words to suit his purpose.

Boy, that Catholic Church sure taught him how to weasel out of stuff.

As for the nonsense about "Please, don't take the path taken by Frankie, Craven, LightWeight, JLNobody and others, who wouldn't provide evidence for the things they said... " --

...hey, Maliagar, old friend, ole pal, we provided lots and lots of evidence for many of the things we said. But whenever we do, you ignore it -- or do a fanciful re-definition of words in an attempt to change what has been offered.

Get with it, M.

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Boy you're clueless... Rolling Eyes

(and if cavfancier buys it, he's clueless multiplied by 10)

If you and I are Christians, Husker, you and I accept the Bible as a source of truth, right? It can be part of our discussions, right? [BTW, that particular quote was not offered in support of anything, but you probably didn't notice either...].

Now, in my discussions with our secularist-atheist believers, I have not done what cavfancier claims I've done (unless, of course, he proves me wrong - and I'm starting to feel that he'll "weasel out"). That's why I specifically said: "I don't want our secularist-atheist friends to get bored".

Thanks for letting me know how seriously I can take your "observations", Husk.

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husker wrote:

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Can you quote ONE time in which I defended my faith resorting to biblical quotations?

WHAT WAS THIS?????

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maliagar

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Hey, Husker:

"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me." - Gospel according to Saint John 17:20-21

"Non pro his autem rogo tantum sed et pro eis qui credituri sunt per verbum eorum in me ut omnes unum sint sicut tu Pater in me et ego in te ut et ipsi in nobis unum sint ut mundus credat quia tu me misisti..." - Sanctus Iohannes 17:20-21

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So, Cavfancier:

Are you going to bring ONE example in which I grounded my arguments on biblical passages? (while having a discussion with you, Secularists, Atheists, and fake "Agnostics"?)

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cavfancier wrote:

Fine maliagar. I'll clarify: Do you actually have an opinion on the subject based on your personal feelings and not rooted in biblical REFERENCE, or is it that you just like to argue in circles endlessly?

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You are beginning to Irk the hell out of me!! And the damage you are doing to the Christian - let's just say you are Roman Catholic - "Rome"
I'm not going to go there - in "Pilate".

maliagar wrote:

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Boy you're clueless... (and if cavfancier buys it, he's clueless multiplied by 10)

If you and I are Christians, Husker, you and I accept the Bible as a source of truth, right? It can be part of our discussions, right? [BTW, that particular quote was not offered in support of anything, but you probably didn't notice either...].

Now, in my discussions with our secularist-atheist believers, I have not done what cavfancier claims I've done (unless, of course, he proves me wrong - and I'm starting to feel that he'll "weasel out"). That's why I specifically said: "I don't want our secularist-atheist friends to get bored".

Thanks for letting me know how seriously I can take your "observations", Husk.

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husker wrote:
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Can you quote ONE time in which I defended my faith resorting to biblical quotations?

WHAT WAS THIS?????

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maliagar

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Hey, Husker:

"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me." - Gospel according to Saint John 17:20-21

"Non pro his autem rogo tantum sed et pro eis qui credituri sunt per verbum eorum in me ut omnes unum sint sicut tu Pater in me et ego in te ut et ipsi in nobis unum sint ut mundus credat quia tu me misisti..." - Sanctus Iohannes 17:20-21

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A bunch of name calling, not one argument.

Don't let yourself be carried away by anger or rage (one of the capital sins). The Christian thing to do is to look for the truth and acknowledge one's mistakes. And your "example" of me "quoting the Bible" was mistaken, period.

Beyond this, you're succumbing to the temptation of anger, pride, and a bunch of other things.

Rolling Eyes

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YOU accusing HIM of 'pride'?

ROTFLMHAO

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And you too, but hey, you don't believe in sin.

Laughing

Craven de Kere wrote:

YOU accusing HIM of 'pride'?

ROTFLMHAO

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maliagar, stick to the argument, and please don't make me remind you of the TOS here and how it treats personal attacks.

If, as you say, you have never, in all your posts, grounded your beliefs in biblical reference, what is it exactly you do believe? Enlighten the clueless ones, please.

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cavfancier wrote:

maliagar, stick to the argument...

That's what I'm trying to do, but there must be a powerful magnet in this thread, for all kinds of people feel compelled to show up and make their little contribution to our discussion.

So, back to where we were: Are you citing ONE example or not?

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...please don't make me remind you of the TOS here and how it treats personal attacks.

Remind me? Or remind everyone (including yourself)?

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If, as you say, you have never, in all your posts, grounded your beliefs in biblical reference, what is it exactly you do believe?

What I say doesn't matter. What can be proved matters. You claimed to be "interested" in seeing how I would "defend the challenge on questions of your own faith, without resorting to biblical quotations." And I said that when talking to non-Christians, I've never supported my arguments with biblical quotations.

Now, either I'm wrong, or you are. Just one example would prove that you're right and that I'm wrong. But careful: Don't bring just anything, as Husker did.

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Enlighten the clueless ones, please.

Just read my messages carefully... and see if I'm grounding my views on the Bible.

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These are all opinions and nobody including maliagar has really provided any evidence. The debate is on interpretation of what gets each one riled up about religion and those who use it as a means to an end. Religion is not a science, it's not mathmatics (try reading the creation "scientist's" clever but fatally flawed writings and see if one can keep from laughing) -- the closest thing in the sciences to religion is psychology and psychiatry, both inexact sciences. Criticizing others for not providing "evidence" for their opinions on a subject such as this is the proverbial pot calling the kettle black. Or, in maliagar's case, the pot calling the kettle gay? (I know, wrong thread).

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maliagar,

People were contributing long before you showed up. Don't flatter yourself so. What draws a crowd isn't always something to be proud (yes proud) of.

BTW, just out of curiosity, I recognize that I am a proud arrogant person. Do you recognize that you are?

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Thank you so much Lightwizard, for getting this thing back on track. This thread is about OPINION regarding experiences with religion, and why it irked us. I feel an irk coming on myself....

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I'm getting the vibe that you won't back your assertion that I use the Bible to support my views. Apparently, you don't mind being in the good company of Frankie, Craven, LightWeight, JLNobody, Husker, and other avoiders.

Just in case you decide to give it a shot, I'll make it even easier for you:

Don't quote anything I said. If you are under the impression that I'm using the Bible to support my views, it must be because you remember something I said. Bring it here. Bring your memories. But careful: It must prove you're right.

If you decide not to bring even this easy piece of "evidence" (what you think you remember I said), then... well... I'm sure you know what that means.

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[And by the way, it's not religion that is irking you and others. It's careful, detailed, painstaking, precise argumentation that some of you guys are not used to. The real test for a strong argument comes when you deal with articulate people who think differently. Otherwise, things are always nice and cozy and supportive and blinding... That's why I enjoy this so much: It's always fun to see how believing are the atheists, how arbitrary the rationalists, how pious the secularists, how know-it-all the agnostics...]

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Precise argumentation?

ROTFL

More like imprecise volumous and evasive argumentation.

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maliagar, you're like the person at a cocktail party that nobody wants to talk to because your mouth is engaged to a perpetual motor. Try putting a lamp shade on your head. Your posing rhetorical riddles is not debating, it's political posturing.

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(In my experience, those who are self-congratulatory about being precise are fooling no one but themselves).

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Lightwizard wrote:

maliagar, you're like the person at a cocktail party that nobody wants to talk to...

I think the evidence goes against you, LightWeight.

Thanks for giving me the bigger laughs...

Laughing

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You've gone from the ridiculous to the nonsensical. Want to try for insane?

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Do you know what "evidence" means?

Laughing

Lightwizard wrote:

You've gone from the ridiculous to the nonsensical. Want to try for insane?

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