When has religion irked you personally and why?

Lightwizard wrote:

BTW, Francis Crick's scientific proof that a soul exist is a soul that doesn't need to be saved. Religions have made themselves exclusive within their own ranks, praying for the souls of others is a totally abstract concept.

There's hard proof on that? Better go check it out!

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Francis Crick the Nobel Laureate and the co-discoverer of the structure of DNA, wrote the book in 1994, "The Astonishing Hypothesis: The Scientific Search for the Soul." It is an analysis of how the brain "sees," our individual though processes and our consciousness which is ultimately our individual souls. I goes into a great deal more detail and depth that what I could possible explain here without quoting the entire book.

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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-4665639-5795059

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Lightwizard wrote:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-4665639-5795059

Review of the book - interesting

And another

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A book for the adventursome mind -- not unlike "The Origin of the Species." Of course, psychologists and psychiatrists are going to feel a bit threatened by his ideas. They also debunct many notions of those inexact sciences. Crick gives one the idea of how they build one's own personal belief structure.

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husker, It's not only from the following link that chrisitians seek to save other souls. The world around is full of missionaries sharing their word about god. We get a knock on our front door almost regularly from different christian denominations trying to talk to us about god. I tell them we are buddhist, and that seems to satisfy most. When I travel to foreign lands, I see christian sponsored schools and hospitals - spreading their good works and saving souls. I'm surprised you asked me to clarify. Here's the link for your reading. c.i. http://www.bible.org/docs/splife/abc/abc-24.htm

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truth
C.I., your last post seems out of character. Are you a missionary? Is that what your travels have been about? Please tell me no.

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JLN, No, I'm not a christian missionary. I'm aware of them, because my siblings are christians, and they frequently get involved in missionary work. My nephew did missionary work in India recently at great sacrifice. He is a dentist; sold his three dental offices after grossing over one million in the last year he practiced, left all that behind, and went to India for one year. He recently returned to the states. Also, while in Africa, our tour group visited a catholic sponsored school. While in the Galapagos Islands last May, I saw a college sponsored by the Seventh Day Adventist on one of the islands. There's more, but I think you see the picture. c.i.

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truth
C.I., phew.
BTW, I know that dentists have a high incidence of suicide, but THAT'S too much.

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edgarblythe wrote:

My friend and former associate, "X", told me God helped him to quit drinking. When a few months later he tried to quit smoking and failed, I wanted to ask him why God would help him quit drinking but not smoking? Capricious be the name of the Lord.

I always thought it was odd that people would claim that "God saved them when they had that traffic accident". What about all the doctors? What about the ambulance driver? Modern medical science had nothing to do with it?

Maybe we should have these people wear special bracelets so when the ambulance pulls up to rescue them, they'll see the bracelet and will be able to go help someone else who really needs it. After all, God will take care of this one.

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God helps those who help themselves - or the saying goes. c.i.

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truth
Cephus, have you heard the old joke of the Christian forced upon his roof during a great flood. A boat came to rescue him, but he refused saying that his God would save him. Later when the water was up to the believer's neck a heliocopter sent down a rope ladder to him which he refused, insisting that his God would save him. Well, he drowned and when he arrived at heaven he scolded his Savior for not having saved him. God answered, "What do you mean, I sent you a boat and a heliocopter?"

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If you're on a ship that runs into a iceberg, and the ship sinks; use the raft that's there to save yourself; god may not be around. c.i.

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Re: truth

JLNobody wrote:

Cephus, have you heard the old joke of the Christian forced upon his roof during a great flood. A boat came to rescue him, but he refused saying that his God would save him. Later when the water was up to the believer's neck a heliocopter sent down a rope ladder to him which he refused, insisting that his God would save him. Well, he drowned and when he arrived at heaven he scolded his Savior for not having saved him. God answered, "What do you mean, I sent you a boat and a heliocopter?"

I don't want this to become a diversion, but the thought that hit me as I read this paragraph, JL, was an argument I have used many times when debating the issue of abortion rights with Christian opponents of abortion. It bears a strong resemblance to the moral of the joke.

MY CHALLENGE:

Explain to me why you are sure your god didn't decide he wanted the soul of the aborted fetus in heaven on a free pass (rather than being born and taking its chances with the evils of the world) -- and therefore set things up so that the fetus would be aborted.

Perhaps every life saved by anti-abortionists belongs to people who eventually lose their souls.

Wouldn't that suck!

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Whoa there, Frank. You're approaching some dangerous ground with that kind of idea.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Whoa there, Frank. You're approaching some dangerous ground with that kind of idea.

Danger is my middle name.

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Personally, my god has better things to do than worry about where souls and dead fetuses go(come on, god is most certainly on another project by now....earth came out a bit half-baked, after all), although I could speculate that stem cell research could be part of god's great plan based on Frank's challenge, after all, none of us really know what that plan is for sure, not even maliagar.

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Danger is My Business! (friend of my family had a tv show...)

Sorry for diversion, but we have been having those here, and I have been spending too much time on Word Association games at A2K.

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I think Frank could do a pretty good job at writing the scripts for the show. Wink

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The fact that we have a Missionary Position is indicative of the kind of work they were doing in the tropics, with those exotic natives....

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