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Why are people offended by porn?

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 06:12 pm
NickFun wrote:
And I would not raise any flags or petition Congress to stop such images from being shown.


And your girlfriend is...?

My point was merely that her reaction may have been about "ew -- closeup of sex organs that I'm not attracted to, disgusting" rather than "ew, evil pornography which offends me, disgusting."


Gus, it depends, it depends.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 06:12 pm
What do they say about pride before the fall?
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 06:14 pm
They say the noise is deafening.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 06:16 pm
I think the prime point is that we have religious leaders and politicians throwing people in jail for distributing something that just happens to be part of human nature. Should a man go to jail for years because he made people go "ewwwwww?" I know a man who produced a live performance which contained, among other things, a woman who like to shoot sweet potato's out her bunghole as she read poetry. He was given 60 days in jail and 3 years probation! She got 90 days probation -- and she did it! The audience knew what was coming. Those who wanted to watch, watched and those that didn't left!

Granted, I would have gone "ewwww", but I would not have arrested him either!
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 06:17 pm
Sure, but that's not what you were talking about in your original post. That was how you had to be all meek and PC because your girlfriend said the spread-eagle pic was disgusting. Yet you say you'd do the same if you saw some man-meat. So it's not about PC-ness, it's about sexual orientation.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 06:19 pm
I once, in broad daylight, choked a chicken.

It wasn't pretty and I am still not proud of it, but I did it.

And I am willing to accept the blame.



Should I be talking about this here?
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 06:21 pm
I need some more information on this spread-eagle picture soz is talking about.

National Geographic?

Eagles eagerly awaiting penetration in their lofty nests?

Help me out.
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Endymion
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 06:58 pm
Some people are offended by pornography as an industry - rather than offended by the imagery itself.

I'm not offended by nakedness, male or female - and to be honest I think women are even less offended by it. After all, they are quite used to the vagina and know what breasts look like and tend to be the sex that bathes our children and elderly - nakedness is not shocking to them.

The question - why are some people offended by porn IS easily answered, on a political level.
Women are handicapped by society's image of them.

In government, film, the military, even in education for example, women are lagging far, far behind men in terms of being taken seriously.

I always thought it was hellishly funny and rather hypocritical when Bush insisted that going into Iraq had anything to do with liberating woman - Ha! - by ripping off their clothes?
Does anyone think that's liberty?

Women in America can hardly be call liberated when they are sexually exploited by their male counterparts and encouraged to feel guilty for not feeding the male fantasy.

To be honest, I don't like exploitation full stop. Of human labour - or of the mind

It is women who work the sweat shops - women in the US who do all the care work and get paid peanuts for it-
why is exploitation of their sexuality any different?

Being offended by porn, isn't about being offended by a woman's exposed vagina
What is offensive, is that most men do nothing to help liberate women, who (in their so-called civilised society) are blatantly being brought up to 'take care' of men
Porn, prostitution, care-work, factory-work….

I also think its no coincidence that America has a huge paedophilia problem, when young girls are encouraged to look pleasing for men from an early age. When companies are making huge profits solely on the fears of young people, and when plastic surgeons can live in luxury because they've helped to convince a nation that any woman who doesn't keep herself looking great for her man is 'failing in her duty' and when complaining brings about the (company driven) idea that a woman is lacking something feminine if she resists all this.

Personally, I find most pornography either boring or distasteful. Too fake, too coldly presented, too much like a MacDonald's picture board menu. Slapped up to grab the customer's eye - a total sale's pitch.

In fact, I find it patronizing and demeaning to me as a man, that I am expected to want porn in my life.

Yes I sometimes miss being with a woman and yes, I sometimes need to fantasise - but I like mystery - not over exposure.

I know I'm not alone in my thinking as a man.
There are many men out there working hard alongside women to try and change women's role in society… pornography as a massive money-making industry (like tobacco) should be looked at carefully with the future in mind.

One more thought - maybe it is men who need liberating from
our conditioning?


The High Cost of Manliness

By Robert Jensen, AlterNet. Posted September 8, 2006.
http://www.alternet.org/sex/41356/
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 09:13 pm
It's obvious that much pornography is about neurotic anger toward women.

Did I tell you about the flasher who on a very cold night asked my wife, as she existed the supermarket, if he could just describe himself?
I consider that the moral equivalence of soft porn.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 10:06 pm
NickFun wrote:
Sozobe, I admit, I don't like pictures of a mans item standing at attention. If that's the case, I will simply turn the page until I find something I do like. Or toss the publication aside. I am not "offended" by it. And I would not raise any flags or petition Congress to stop such images from being shown.

Suppose your girlfriend had stumbled into this raunchy guy picture while surfing the web with you. What would your comment to her have been?
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dadpad
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 12:40 am
So Nick are you game to call her view? Next time shes laying V shaped waiting for you just say ewwww!
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 01:15 am
Endymion wrote:
Some people are offended by pornography as an industry - rather than offended by the imagery itself.

I'm not offended by nakedness, male or female - and to be honest I think women are even less offended by it. After all, they are quite used to the vagina and know what breasts look like and tend to be the sex that bathes our children and elderly - nakedness is not shocking to them.

The question - why are some people offended by porn IS easily answered, on a political level.
Women are handicapped by society's image of them.

In government, film, the military, even in education for example, women are lagging far, far behind men in terms of being taken seriously.

I always thought it was hellishly funny and rather hypocritical when Bush insisted that going into Iraq had anything to do with liberating woman - Ha! - by ripping off their clothes?
Does anyone think that's liberty?

Women in America can hardly be call liberated when they are sexually exploited by their male counterparts and encouraged to feel guilty for not feeding the male fantasy.

To be honest, I don't like exploitation full stop. Of human labour - or of the mind

It is women who work the sweat shops - women in the US who do all the care work and get paid peanuts for it-
why is exploitation of their sexuality any different?

Being offended by porn, isn't about being offended by a woman's exposed vagina
What is offensive, is that most men do nothing to help liberate women, who (in their so-called civilised society) are blatantly being brought up to 'take care' of men
Porn, prostitution, care-work, factory-work….

I also think its no coincidence that America has a huge paedophilia problem, when young girls are encouraged to look pleasing for men from an early age. When companies are making huge profits solely on the fears of young people, and when plastic surgeons can live in luxury because they've helped to convince a nation that any woman who doesn't keep herself looking great for her man is 'failing in her duty' and when complaining brings about the (company driven) idea that a woman is lacking something feminine if she resists all this.

Personally, I find most pornography either boring or distasteful. Too fake, too coldly presented, too much like a MacDonald's picture board menu. Slapped up to grab the customer's eye - a total sale's pitch.

In fact, I find it patronizing and demeaning to me as a man, that I am expected to want porn in my life.

Yes I sometimes miss being with a woman and yes, I sometimes need to fantasise - but I like mystery - not over exposure.

I know I'm not alone in my thinking as a man.
There are many men out there working hard alongside women to try and change women's role in society… pornography as a massive money-making industry (like tobacco) should be looked at carefully with the future in mind.

One more thought - maybe it is men who need liberating from
our conditioning?


The High Cost of Manliness

By Robert Jensen, AlterNet. Posted September 8, 2006.
http://www.alternet.org/sex/41356/


Thank you, Endy, for this post.

I couldn't agree more.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 01:21 am
Thomas wrote:
NickFun wrote:
Sozobe, I admit, I don't like pictures of a mans item standing at attention. If that's the case, I will simply turn the page until I find something I do like. Or toss the publication aside. I am not "offended" by it. And I would not raise any flags or petition Congress to stop such images from being shown.

Suppose your girlfriend had stumbled into this raunchy guy picture while surfing the web with you. What would your comment to her have been?


I would have said, "my goodness! Look at the size of that schlong!"

If it turns her on then more fun for me! It's win-win!
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 06:38 am
Pron (tee hee) and art are two different things.

A naked body can be beautiful and sensual or trashy and offensive.

It's all in how it's done and how you view it.

One mans porn is anothers art.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 03:49 pm
The only porn I would find truly offensive is child pornography--because of the power differential between the adult and the child. Oh, and I do find S&M porno meaningless but not offensive if all the characters are depicted as involved voluntarily.
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 04:34 pm
Endymion wrote:
Some people are offended by pornography as an industry - rather than offended by the imagery itself.

I'm not offended by nakedness, male or female - and to be honest I think women are even less offended by it. After all, they are quite used to the vagina and know what breasts look like and tend to be the sex that bathes our children and elderly - nakedness is not shocking to them.

The question - why are some people offended by porn IS easily answered, on a political level.
Women are handicapped by society's image of them.

In government, film, the military, even in education for example, women are lagging far, far behind men in terms of being taken seriously.

I always thought it was hellishly funny and rather hypocritical when Bush insisted that going into Iraq had anything to do with liberating woman - Ha! - by ripping off their clothes?
Does anyone think that's liberty?

Women in America can hardly be call liberated when they are sexually exploited by their male counterparts and encouraged to feel guilty for not feeding the male fantasy.

To be honest, I don't like exploitation full stop. Of human labour - or of the mind

It is women who work the sweat shops - women in the US who do all the care work and get paid peanuts for it-
why is exploitation of their sexuality any different?

Being offended by porn, isn't about being offended by a woman's exposed vagina
What is offensive, is that most men do nothing to help liberate women, who (in their so-called civilised society) are blatantly being brought up to 'take care' of men
Porn, prostitution, care-work, factory-work….

I also think its no coincidence that America has a huge paedophilia problem, when young girls are encouraged to look pleasing for men from an early age. When companies are making huge profits solely on the fears of young people, and when plastic surgeons can live in luxury because they've helped to convince a nation that any woman who doesn't keep herself looking great for her man is 'failing in her duty' and when complaining brings about the (company driven) idea that a woman is lacking something feminine if she resists all this.

Personally, I find most pornography either boring or distasteful. Too fake, too coldly presented, too much like a MacDonald's picture board menu. Slapped up to grab the customer's eye - a total sale's pitch.

In fact, I find it patronizing and demeaning to me as a man, that I am expected to want porn in my life.

Yes I sometimes miss being with a woman and yes, I sometimes need to fantasise - but I like mystery - not over exposure.

I know I'm not alone in my thinking as a man.
There are many men out there working hard alongside women to try and change women's role in society… pornography as a massive money-making industry (like tobacco) should be looked at carefully with the future in mind.

One more thought - maybe it is men who need liberating from
our conditioning?


The High Cost of Manliness

By Robert Jensen, AlterNet. Posted September 8, 2006.
http://www.alternet.org/sex/41356/


Excellent post, Endy.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 05:09 pm
And, of course, pornography also demeans men and sex itself.
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 05:14 pm
Some of us would like to think of making love as something special with someone we love and I know I, for one, can do without all the crotches being thrown in my face while I'm trying to live my life in my, obviously, little dream world.
If sex is all that's available, you can have it because I think porm is filthy and demeaning to both the women and men.

It's a wonder why I'm still single Rolling Eyes
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 05:25 pm
Porm?

Is that similar to pron?
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 06:35 pm
Damn! Laughing
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