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Why are people offended by porn?

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NickFun
 
Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 11:45 am
I was on the Flickr Photo web site the other day with my lady friend. We stumbled upon a picture of a nude woman with her legs spread.

"That's totally disgusting", my lady friend said.

As she said that I started thinking. Every human being on Earth is the end result of a naked man standing over a naked woman with her legs spread. Every human is the result of a man inserting his penis into a woman's vagina.

My lady friend, and nearly every other woman on Earth, loves sex! So many people are offended by pictures of men inserting the penises into women but they love inserting their OWN penises into women's vaginas.

If not for naked women with spread legs and naked men with erect penises the entire human race would cease to exist! But we find pictures of the same thing disgusting? We see a baby being born and comment on how beautiful it is. But if we witness the act that caused that baby to be born we revile in abject horror!

Doesn't this make us hypocrites of the highest order?

There is definitely something wrong with our way of thinking when a President is impeached for have sexual relations with a woman whereas another President is allowed to brutally murder hundreds of thousands without reprisal.

"Don't you think so", my girlfriend asked, bringing me back to reality.

"Huh? Oh yea. It sure is", I replied.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 11:51 am
Re: Why are people offended by porn?
NickFun wrote:
"Don't you think so", my girlfriend asked, bringing me back to reality.

"Huh? Oh yea. It sure is", I replied.


Ahah! Trapped in your political correctness, hein Nick? Twisted Evil
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NickFun
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 11:54 am
That was my intention Francis. I guess I'm just as guilty as the next guy...
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 11:57 am
Well, I don't feel guilty of finding those pictures beautiful and being just a part of love's beauty...

But I understand you.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:01 pm
Actually, I don't feel guilty either. My girlfriend and I actually had a discussion about it afterwards. She started getting angry becuase she didn't want me to be right!
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:07 pm
Then, it's not a problem of some pictures. It's a matter of having the last word, which denotes a lack of maturity.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:11 pm
Porn has to be offensive... that is the whole point. If it were commonplace to see naked people on their backs with their legs spread... it would lose its appeal rather quickly.

Porn is appealing because it is shameful. Sex that is shameful is some of the most exciting sex...

Take the embarrasment and shame out of porn and you ruin it-- it will turn these images into just another set of pictures.

Please don't do this.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:18 pm
Laughing
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:18 pm
I guess it depends on the porn. Some porn depicts people as testicals with bodies attached to it -- nothing else that's interesting about the body, and in particular no brain. The shabbiness of cheap porn depresses me.

On the other hand, some porn is not so cheap, and does have as much aesthetic appeal as the average non-porn movie or photograph that you see in movies and cinemas. I don't really know why people get offended by these. Perhaps they have internalized without questioning the values of the people who raised them. Perhaps they're puritans who can't stand watching other people have fun. I can only speculate.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:23 pm
I don't think porn, by its very definition, can have an aesthetic appeal. Naked people with aesthetic appeal is art, not porn. It is its cheap shabiness that gives porn its unique appeal.

But, for the sake of argument (since I may not be understanding what you are referring to)... could you give me an example of a work that you would put in category of asethetically appealling pornography?
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:23 pm
Thomas wrote:
Perhaps they're puritans who can't stand watching other people have fun. I can only speculate.


Speculation with so many hints cannot be only random effects...
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:24 pm
Some of the women I've been with had the same negative reactions but some thought porn was fun. Conditioning and the ability to overcome it.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:35 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
I don't think porn, by its very definition, can have an aesthetic appeal.

This may well be true for your definition, but I don't think it's consistent with general American word usage.

Webster, defining 'Pornography', wrote:
1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2 : material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3 : the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction <the pornography of violence>

This dictionary's definition says nothing that would preclude aesthetic appeal.

ebrown_p wrote:
But, for the sake of argument (since I may not be understanding what you are referring to)... could you give me an example of a work that you would put in category of asethetically appealling pornography?

In my judgment, the nude photography in Playboy is always porn. It depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement. I also find it often, if not always, aesthetically appealing. I don't see pornography and aesthetics as mutually exclusive. And it seems Mr Webster agrees with my usage.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:42 pm
Ok fine...

But I seem to remember enjoying Playboy a lot more when it was a hidden treat enjoyed in secret whose discovery would have resulted in punishment and embarrasment.

I won't argue definitions... and there is certainly a place for aesthetic appeal...

But, there is a place for the mindless porn with absolutely no redeeming social value other than salacious thrills. Maybe there isn't a specific word for this kind of porn... but there should be.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:46 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
But, there is a place for the mindless porn with absolutely no redeeming social value other than salacious thrills. Maybe there isn't a specific word for this kind of porn... but there should be.

I agree. That's why I originally answered "it depends on the porn".
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:52 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
But I seem to remember enjoying Playboy a lot more when it was a hidden treat enjoyed in secret whose discovery would have resulted in punishment and embarrasment.

In my personal experience, the appeal of porn drastically declined as soon as I got to know the real thing. Sex on paper just cannot compete with that.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:54 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
But, there is a place for the mindless porn with absolutely no redeeming social value other than salacious thrills.
Demonstrate this claim of "absolutely no redeeming social value".

In what way (given I must assume you believe there is porn of "absolutely no redeeming social value") would your claim be germane to the post's topic "Why are people offended by porn?"

The reason I ask is that if you are going to categorize that there is porn of "absolutely no redeeming social value" so you could then with many popular forms of entertainment i.e. so what?
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:58 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
no redeeming social value"


I believe this is the main thing that distinguishes porn from other salacious materials, according to the US government.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 01:01 pm
The US government as the arbiter of "redeeming social value".
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 01:01 pm
Thomas wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
But I seem to remember enjoying Playboy a lot more when it was a hidden treat enjoyed in secret whose discovery would have resulted in punishment and embarrasment.

In my personal experience, the appeal of porn drastically declined as soon as I got to know the real thing. Sex on paper just cannot compete with that.

On reflection, maybe this was the problem for Nick Fun's girlfriend. She instinctively recognized that this porn picture did successfully compete for Nick's sexual attention. Maybe that's what pissed her off.
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