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Is rape a "hate crime"?

 
 
Thu 31 May, 2007 11:09 am
Could it be prosecuted as such? Has it ever been prosecuted as such?

Wikipedia says (emphasis mine):

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Hate crimes (also known as bias crimes) are crimes motivated by bias against an identifiable social group, usually groups defined by race, religion, sexual orientation, disability, ethnicity, nationality, age, gender, gender identity, or political affiliation.


Just curious.

Thanks!
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contrex
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 12:06 pm
it depends what jurisdiction you are talking about. Are you one of those people on the web who think everybody is in the USA?

In my country, (the UK), we have the possibility that certain crimes such as assault and intimidation can be racially aggravated and get heavier penalties but we do not have a legal category of "hate crime". Rape is a very serious offence here, it can be punished by life imprisonment.
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Shapeless
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 12:22 pm
It depends on the context, doesn't it? Not all vandalisms and murders are hate crimes, but hate crimes can take the form of vandalism and murder.
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shewolfnm
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 12:41 pm
but, rape is rape.

Nothing just 'turns into ' rape

One she or he says no, and is fighting to keep someone off of them that is rape.

And in order to feel that you can rape someone , or continue with what you are doing no matter what they are saying, i think it takes a bit of 'anger'

if that makes any sense...
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Shapeless
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 12:50 pm
It makes total sense, and I agree. I just think all that can happen in a context that is not necessarily expressing hatred toward an entire group, hateful and despicable though the crime itself may be.
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shewolfnm
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 01:02 pm
Quote:
expressing hatred toward an entire group,


Ok, now I understand what you mean.
I missed that before...
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Bella Dea
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 01:03 pm
I definitely think so.

Since rape is so much about power over another person, someone could feasible rape someone based soley on the fact that they are black or hispanic or white or gay or Catholic or Jewish. Just to hurt them.
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kickycan
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 01:12 pm
Hate crime. What a stupid term. A crime is a crime, and should be prosecuted as such.
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boomerang
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 01:19 pm
Yes, I'm one of those people on the web who think everyone is just like me.

I'm kind of with kicky here on the hate crime thing but I'm just trying to get at what might differentiate a "crime" from a "hate crime".

Rape is obviously based on gender (most of the time). But would they look at the rapsit life and say "he's had successful relationships with women so therefore he doesn't hate women and therefore it isn't a hate crime".

Do they do the same with other hate crimes? What if someone attacked someone because they were Hispanic? Would they look at the attacker and say "he's has Hispanic friends so this isn't a hate crime"?

How is the line drawn between a "crime" and "hate crime"?
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Chai
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 01:35 pm
oh boomerang! You're just like me!

maybe that's why we're both on the internet.


Hate crime, victimless crime, white color, blue color. I don't get it either.

I can differentiate between crimes that cause immediatae physical harm and those that don't, and I'm sure if I thought about it right this second I'd come up with some other big catagories.

ALL crimes have victims, victimless crime, my butt.

hate crimes...sounds like a way to classify someone and give them more attention than they deserve.
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DrewDad
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 01:40 pm
Is Chai's butt a victimless crime?

See the debate tonight between Hugh Jarse and Tye T. Slacks.
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shewolfnm
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 01:40 pm
You mean.... there are more americans on here?

Right -o !


I have to agree with kicky though.

a crime is a crime no matter what.

but if rape can be qualified as a hate crime to earn the rapist more time in jail and his nuts cut off.. so be it.
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Bella Dea
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 01:43 pm
DrewDad wrote:
Is Chai's butt a victimless crime?

See the debate tonight between Hugh Jarse and Tye T. Slacks.


Chai's butt has made me do numerous things that other might consider...lawless.
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Bella Dea
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 01:44 pm
boomerang wrote:


How is the line drawn between a "crime" and "hate crime"?


Ya got me.
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DrewDad
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 01:45 pm
You did Lawless because of Chai's butt?

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/lucy-lawless/pictures/lucy-lawless-picture-1.jpg
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Bella Dea
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 01:59 pm
Ew, what's that thing on her boob?
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DrewDad
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 02:02 pm
Hickey?
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Bella Dea
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 02:23 pm
Those are some small lips.
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fishin
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 02:43 pm
boomerang wrote:
Rape is obviously based on gender (most of the time). But would they look at the rapsit life and say "he's had successful relationships with women so therefore he doesn't hate women and therefore it isn't a hate crime".

Do they do the same with other hate crimes? What if someone attacked someone because they were Hispanic? Would they look at the attacker and say "he's has Hispanic friends so this isn't a hate crime"?

How is the line drawn between a "crime" and "hate crime"?


It isn't an automatic thing. If person "A" kills person "B" who happens to be of another race/gender/religion the question that arises is "What was the motivation for this crime?".

If person A killed person B because they cut them off on the freeway and flipped them the bird while they did it, it isn't a hate crime (it's road rage).

If person B's race/religion/gender is the motivation then it would fall under the hate crimes area.

Use of derogatory racial, religious or gender terms during the commission of the crime could be an indicator of the motivation.
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Chai
 
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Thu 31 May, 2007 02:44 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Is Chai's butt a victimless crime?

See the debate tonight between Hugh Jarse and Tye T. Slacks.


Chai's butt has made me do numerous things that other might consider...lawless.



My butt is so powerful.

Few realize all that is standing between us and world peace is my butt.


excuse me, my butt needs to make bella commit a mass murder.
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