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Thou Shalt Not Lie

 
 
JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jun, 2007 08:16 pm
Thanks Edgar. I'm glad that you read what I meant rather than what I said. Instead of "The openness of mind required..." I should have said "The lack of an openness of mind required...."
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jun, 2007 08:18 pm
a mere slip. the overall body of the message is plain
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jun, 2007 11:25 pm
Literture is optional, art appreciation is passe,"we dont want no elitist institutions".
Well, magnet schools are burgeoning and many homeschooled kids are far more advanced than we liberals are willing to give credit.

Id give up a dogged desire for kids to be trained in modern biology if they were well exposed to the cultural courses that required reading .

I was in a hos[ital art gallery yesterday and was walking around looking at the show. It was a series of prints juxtaposed with clips from Steinbeck novels. Mostly the prints were photos in the style ofMargaret Bourke White and the clips were mostly from "Grapes, and Sweet Thursday".A bunch of people were in there and they didnt get it. It was all for lack of some sort of exposure to the scenes and the lines. The people had no reference to what would have, until maybe 15 years ago, been a given in educational experience.

Why should only AP kids get exposed to art , music, lit, and culture?Why dumb it all down just to not piss off a vocal minority?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 07:32 am
Marva Collins rather embarrassingly exposed just how inept the cookie cutter mentality of public education is, and just how badly the system regularly stumbles:

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Thus, Westside preparatory School was founded in 1975 in Garfield Park, a Chicago inner-city area. During the first year, Marva took in learning disabled, problem children and even one child who had been labeled by Chicago public school authorities as borderline retarded. At the end of the first year, every child scored at least five grades higher proving that the previous labels placed on these children were misguided. The CBS program, 60 Minutes, visited her school for the second time in 1996. That little girl who had been labeled as border line retarded, graduated in 1976 from college Summa Cum Laude. It was documented on the 60 Minutes programs in 1996. Marva's graduates have entered some of the nation's finest colleges and universities, such as Harvard, Yale, and Stanford, to mention just a few. And, they have become physicians, lawyers, engineers, educators, and entered other professions.


The information is from her own web site, but can be verified from other sources. One thing which is not laid out in that paragraph, which is the most interesting to me, is how she did it. She used the classics of the "Western Canon," and she used real life. When she taught mathematics, she taught them practical applications (saving money, setting up and following a budget), then she had them read The Merchant of Venice (which also allowed them discuss racism in a context other than that which they experienced themselves as black Americans), and finally, she took them to the floor of the commodities market in Chicago, so they could see what they had learned applied in the real world.

Marva Collins is an amazing woman.
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BDoug
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 11:33 am
Is there any way of getting them to represent this as religion and not science? Seems like there need to be guidelines as to what can be called what. This museum in no way represents the scientific method but is be labeled as an alternative theory. Thats like saying astrology is an alternative theory to astronomy and both deserve equal weight. All it'll do is confuse people.

Im not saying the right wing nutbags don't have the right to erect whatever museum they want but they shouldn't be able to get away with mislabeling it "science".
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stlstrike3
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 03:27 pm
BDoug wrote:
Is there any way of getting them to represent this as religion and not science? Seems like there need to be guidelines as to what can be called what. This museum in no way represents the scientific method but is be labeled as an alternative theory. Thats like saying astrology is an alternative theory to astronomy and both deserve equal weight. All it'll do is confuse people.

Im not saying the right wing nutbags don't have the right to erect whatever museum they want but they shouldn't be able to get away with mislabeling it "science".


And then they get tax exemption as a religious institution.

One day, that'll be abolished, but it won't come soon enough....
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 03:43 pm
People called Vine DeLoria lots of things but nobody ever called him a Christian fundamentalist. Vine detested ALL western religions pretty much.

DeLoria was the best known Native American author of the last century or so, his "Custer Died for Your Sins" is a standard university textbook on Indian affairs. He also did a major sort of a study of Indian oral traditions and was the first to point out to modern scholars the fact that Indian oral traditions consistently refer to Indian ancestors having to deal not only with creatures traditionally viewed as ice-age animals but with dinosaurs as well. That sort of thing is no longer difficult to find on the internet, any sort of a google search on "dinosaur" and "petroglyphs" will turn up lots of it.

The sauropod glyph at Natural Bridges Utah for instance:

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/dino-art-wall-etchings-blanding-utah.jpg
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:06 pm
gungasnake wrote:
That sort of thing is no longer difficult to find on the internet, any sort of a google search on "dinosaur" and "petroglyphs" will turn up lots of it.


A google search will turn up lots of it and THAT picture is the best you could find.

I'm sorry, it's going to take a little more than a pretty picture of a man and a monster.

Do you think in 2000 years people will look back at movies and picture's we made and think they are scientific proof of Freddy Krueger and the Fantastic Four?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 05:15 pm
maporsche wrote:
gungasnake wrote:


A google search will turn up lots of it and THAT picture is the best you could find.




Lazy slob....

I don't do other people's research for them.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 05:43 pm
Im on record that Vine Deloria was a serious wackadoo, whose own son , a noted anthropologist, apologizes for his "passion"
Just because Vine wrote about oral tradition, he didnt know squat about what the glyphs tried to show.

The nat bridges glyphs arent even 1100 AD, are you saying that dinosaurs roamed the earth in the last millenium and then dug themselves (in many cases) under hundreds of feet of rock to go die and be preserved?


Its good to see that reality hasnt yet connected with your brain gunga. Youre always good for a smile or three.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 05:54 pm
farmerman wrote:
Im on record that Vine Deloria was a serious wackadoo,.....



That tells me pretty much everything I need to know about you.....
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 06:08 pm
You guys can run, but you can't hide. You can take up residence in the state of denial, bury your heads in the sands, and laugh all you want, but the overwhelming body of evidence has already buried evolution; it's a dead theory walking.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 07:24 pm
Quote:
the overwhelming body of evidence has already buried evolution; it's a dead theory walking.
And, I, you. Laughing
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stlstrike3
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 12:08 pm
http://www.theonion.com/content/amvo/creation_museum_grand_opening

This says it all.
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