OCCOM BILL wrote:Which is actually rather tame... My Russian girl friend said she was the fastest in her class at tearing down and reassembling a Kalashnikov... but she was no good at throwing the potato (grenade practice).
Which class ?
Was it child or adult ?
Even in the absence of contact,
if a child in the audience of a movie
saw Shirley Temple, or one of the " Our Gang " kids,
maybe Spanky or Alfalfa,
who became the object of amore,
is the one in the audience a pedofile ?
I think I'd call that a crush- wouldn't you?
But I'd think of it more as experimentation,
unless one child was forcing another, or manipulating a situation,
then he'd be a rapist as well.
Quote:But I think as society views pedophilia in its criminal form the reason it is invested with so much disgust
and judgment is because of the unequal distribution of power.
OK: if a 10 year old with a knife or a gun
rapes a 21 year old movie actress,
does that make him a pedofile ?
No, that'd make him a rapist, and not even a child rapist as the victim is an adult. (Although because he's a child maybe he'd be called a child rapist- complicated isn't it)?
But the word pedophile is so misleading.
When you hear bibliophile or Anglophile or Francophile- those all have
positive connotations in that they speak to a relationship in which the
lover of books, England, France is enacting an interest or affection for
something positively- whereas in pedophilia, it's not positive in any way-
really for either party. Although the person acting may feel fulfilled,
really with every experience s/he's sinking deeper into an unspeakably
evil morass that will only entrap him or her and make it harder and
harder for that person to lead a normal healthy life- not to mention what
it does to the child. And it's not about love at all. It's about control and sickness.
I think we should give it another name.
Quote:
An adult who is a sexual being acting out his or her sexual urges
on a child who does not have the same urges or even any understanding
of what is happening is a much more disturbing scenario than two
children of equal size, age and sexual development.
Children in elementary school
have been arrested for raping their fellow students, in school.
Really? I believe you, but I'd be interested to read about it.
Can you cite a specific case or give details? How old was the rapist?
How old was the victim? What was the sentence for the perpetrator? That's pretty scary to think about.
We did a lot of that in school.
I saw no difference in noise between 5th graders sitting in class,
listening to the teacher, and college students or law students.
Wow- you guys must have been some mature fifth graders. Seriously- I know I behaved very differently in my fifth grade class than in my college lectures. I even got kicked out of the classroom and had to stand outside the door in the hallway a couple of times in fifth grade (always for talking, being silly and fooling around).
I can remember my fifth grade teacher (he had quite a temper)
throwing a math book and chalk and an eraser at various kids in my fifth
grade class at various times to get them to be quiet.
In MY observation, thay all just sit there, take notes n listen;
maybe ask a question, occasionally.
( I was full of questions, at ALL ages. )
Sounds like a fifth grade teacher's version of utopia.
However, I will not venture to comment upon
the impulse control of people of ANY age.
( How old were Stalin, Hitler n Pol Pot when THAY ran amuk ? )[/b][/color]
Did I already tell you about the radio play I heard about what might have happened if Hitler had received analysis from Freud- how world events might have been changed?
It was pretty interesting.
Isn't it interesting though how all of these people of any age lacking impulse control- particularly of violent impulses are MALES?
Seriously- I find that aspect of it fascinating. Any theories?
And I'm not talking about conquering and testosterone and the conditioning that all males receive in most societies. I'm talking about how it always seems to get more twisted in males and very seldomly does (at least not to the same extent) in females.
What do you think that's about?
It has been my direct observation
that kids packing heat
( be thay handguns or shoulder weapons )
are a lot more sedate
and self-possessed than kids whom I 've seen running around
( apparently unarmed )
in public places in NY, while acting foolishly.
Have you seen many kids packing heat?
I mean currently- in today's world- in your everyday environs?
Think back to Churchill 's stirring speech
of English resistence to any Nazi invasion,
on the beaches, and in many other places.
Is it your opinion that if your 5th graders had been in a last ditch
defense of home n family ( as actually HAPPENED, in Germany )
that thay 'd have been so undisciplined and foolish as to point
their weapons at one another, instead of the Nazis,
because of their age ?? I do not believe that thay wud.
No, but David, that's an entirely different psychological mindset.
When you are at war and fighting a common enemy- of course you are
focused on self-preservation and the defeat of that enemy.
But in the scenario you offer, with all children being armed in self-defense
against the off-chance that one of their friends or family members or
neighbors might run amuk and show up shooting,
in the meantime, while they're waiting for the chance to protect themselves,
it'd seem to me that there'd be much more of a chance for those guns
to be a distraction, an alleviation of boredom, with tragic accidental results.
When German children were conscripted by Hitler
into a last ditch defense of Berlin against the commies,
there is NO historical finding of chaotic activity on their part.
Thay acted like ordinary soldiers;
i.e., thay laid down, or braced,
aimed at the communists and shot them, as well as possible.
Hitler is on film giving them a lot of Iron Crosses.
Do you think this enhanced their childhood experience- having killed someone- for whatever reason?
Do you think that after it was all over that these children were proud of themselves for having defended the cause that they did and that one of the most evil men of the twentieth century gave them a medal for their actions? Do you think they were even aware who or what they were supporting?
How do you think they felt when they were old enough to understand and figure out who and what they had supported?
Do you think they told themselves they were just following orders?
It'd be fascinating to know how those children felt and coped with what
had been thrust upon them as children- as they grew into adults.
Any knowledge of that David?
There were 2 boys, 9 year old twins in Malaya ( I believe )
whose parents were killed by invading soldiers from Thailand,
during the 1990s; thay got some automatic rifles and formed a militia,
setting up successful ambushes againt the Thais ( Siamese ),
avenging the murders of their parents.
( Thay have my respect. )
Yes-I have the sort of temperament that I can see myself doing something like this. I read about a mother who sat in court and saw her son's abuser acquitted on a technicality and she shot him dead right in the courtroom. I have to say, I didn't blame her, and I could see myself reacting to something like that as viscerally as she did.
Quote:Quote:
what are they arming themselves against or in preparation for?
Against the potential of the predatory violence
of criminals or animals of which we read in the newspapers.
Maybe there is no crime in the Vatican,
but America had its Cho, and England had its Jack the Ripper.
Its better to have a gun and not need it
than to need a gun and not have it.
( Ask the students at Virginia Tech. )
You know, with this last shooting, I discovered a real change
in my focus on the cause or the possible deterrents.
I think it's too simple and really disingenuous to continue blaming incidences like these on the easy availability of guns.
Just as it's too easy to blame the epidemic of drug use and self-medication on the easy availability of drugs.
Our society is creating these really sick and/or sad people who either need to take drugs to make it through the day- or express their hatred and anger through violence.
It's not about guns any more for me David, although I wish it was because that'd be something concrete to pin it on- and I could have some hope that one simple change might make a difference.
Sadly, I think the problem is much more nebulous and insidious and solving it will be much more involved than simply making weapons less easily available.
Will u define your term ?
Reminiscent of my ex-girlfriend, Marilyn who used to scream
when her 4 year old daughter pulled her hair, or hit her.
That was child abuse.
It sounds like it means foot lover;
( like pedestrian ).
yes- especially when we Americans spell it (or you foneticists). It's somewhat clearer when the Brits reference it with the added a.I can remember my fifth grade teacher (he had quite a temper)
throwing a math book and chalk and an eraser at various kids in my fifth
grade class at various times to get them to be quiet.
But in the scenario you offer, with all children being armed in self-defense
against the off-chance that one of their friends or family members or
neighbors might run amuk and show up shooting,
Its better to have a gun and not need it
than to need a gun and not have it.
( Ask the students at Virginia Tech. )
Quote:You don't know what a crush is David?
An infatuation, fancy, puppy love....get the picture?
Does that mean that U LIKE SOMEONE ?
I love puppies; is that puppy love ?[/b]
Quote:I can remember my fifth grade teacher (he had quite a temper)
throwing a math book and chalk and an eraser at various kids in my fifth
grade class at various times to get them to be quiet.
Someone shud have sued him for assault n battery.
- bad temper and all.Quote:I don't think he ever really hit anyone with any of those things.
It was just for the shock value and emphasis.
OK, then forget the cause of action for battery.
At common law * ASSAULT * is putting a man of average courage
into fear of an imminent battery. He was tortiously liable for that
by hurling the missle; sue the school, too,
in respondiat superior.
Quote:Quote:
You're big on law suits, huh?
Yeah.
Quote:Do lawyers ever feel that our society has become suit-happy- to it's detriment ?
No.
Quote:Do you think that there were other factors at play that influenced
whether or not a student would come to school with a defensive weapon apart from the gun laws.
Yes: the desire for self preservation
Quote:I know that no matter what the gun laws were,
I wouldn't have thought to bring a gun to my school.
With the fullest degree of respect and affection:
that 's like declaring that no matter what
the automotive laws require, u 'd not have thought
to put a spare tire into your trunk.
Just take it on faith,
that u won 't get any flats.
Quote:I'm sad to say that I've felt that way several times in the past. Once when I was walking home from a friend's house early in the evening. She offered to drive me, but it had started snowing and I wanted to walk in the snow, and it was only a mile or two, so I started walking and almost immediately this guy in a car started tailing me and talking to me through the passenger window. He asked if I wanted a ride, I said no, and he drove away and then he circled the block and came up behind me again.
I just kept walking, but he did this like two or three times.
It almost reminds me a little bit of Kitty Genovese.
Quote:
Finally I hid behind a car in a driveway until he had passed and I was so scared
and crying and shaking I knocked on the door of the first house that had
a light on in the window and asked the woman who answered it to drive me home. She did.
When I was alone in Arizona,
at age 8, I felt a little uneasy,
until I got my first gun.
( Tranquility = my first gun )
Quote:
And then maybe he'd get the gun
U can 't let that occur.
If it starts to happen, u need to put a round into his groin.
He probably won 't like that; it will alter his vector,
and slow him down.
Like I said before, you're the master of understatement. Quote:and I'd be the one who would have ended up dead.
Everyone ends up dead;
u just need to do the best u can before then.
Quote:
But I remember, I was so angry...it just seemed like such an infringement of my rights and freedoms.
That 's what defensive guns r FOR.
Quote:Even writing this now, all these years later it makes me angry.
Why should I (and other women and children)
have to live our lives in fear?
During MY childhood,
I did not have live my life in fear,
except before I took defensive preparations.
Quote:
But we shouldn't have to endanger our own life
or any others by carrying and shooting guns either.
I have carried guns and shot them many times,
but never endangered my life; one does not require the other.
Quote:
We should insist on changes that would make fear and protectiveness unneccessary.
That is not part of this reality.
U might as well relax n enjoy it;
that 's what I 'm doing.
David[/b]
The air is thick and smoky, and the place is packed. People are forced to
shout over the boom, boom, boom.
"I keep it on me wherever I go," she said when finished.
The mother of an 18-year-old son, she keeps a Springfield semiautomatic
in her purse and a Beretta pistol at home or in her glove box.
"I think it's more important for women with small children to own a gun
because you can't run when you have children," she said.
"I think it's more important for women with small children to own a gun
because you can't run when you have children," she said.
"More people out there aren't feeling safe," Anderson said.
They've also met their share of so-called soccer moms who no longer are
packing only lunches -- now they want to pack heat.
And in doing so, gun manufacturers have clued into
something else -- that there's a market for stylish and more feminine
accessories and products.
Gun manufacturer Taurus, for instance, unveiled a pink-pearl handgun,
as well as a smaller-barreled gun, which can fit more easily in purses.
There's even a range of chic holster purses that are just as fashionable
as high-end handbags. What better way to appeal to women?
I forgot one more thing, (sorry). This:
Quote:The air is thick and smoky, and the place is packed.
People are forced to shout over the boom, boom, boom.
Quote:sounds like a nightmare to me.
I would no more want to spend a minute of my free time
in this environment than have my teeth pulled.
I have NOT found the air to be thick nor smoky
in any gunnery range, be it indoor nor outdoor, that I have ever used.
However, I can c the benefits of using silencers.
I wud compare it to taking a class on how best to manage
your cholesterol, for long life, or a class in safe swimming.
Quote:
And it's an infringement on my freedoms and rights
and pursuit of happiness that I have to feel
that it might be in my best interest to do so.
Your emotions r your your own private choice.
No one is coercing u into a selection of any emotion.
In any case,
your selection of emotions, has no effect on the rights
of any of your fellow citizens.
Quote:
"I keep it on me wherever I go," she said when finished.
The mother of an 18-year-old son, she keeps a Springfield semiautomatic
in her purse and a Beretta pistol at home or in her glove box.
"I think it's more important for women with small children to own a gun
because you can't run when you have children," she said.
Quote:I would have no peace of mind if I had a gun in any proximity to my children.
According to the National Safety Council,
many, many more people die from drowning annually
than from gunfire; the latter just gets a lot more ATTENTION in the press.
How do you feel about your children being around CARS ?
Many, many multiples of deaths result from automotive accidents
than from gunfire.
Do u tell them to stay away from cars ?
Medical malpractice ? The ratio of deaths from that
to gunfire is GIGANTIC.
Quote:
Because even if I trusted my own children-
how would I know what any of their friends would do if they happened
upon a gun in my home or in my car or bag? I wouldn't.
Hence the need for hands-on education
in safe and accurate firearms handling education early
in each child 's education, along with arithmetic, geografy n fonetic spelling.
( Do thay go thru your bags ? )
Quote:(And I've told you about the tragedy that happened in my extended family when a small child got his hands on a gun- and my uncle and aunt were responsible and loving parents).
What was that again ?
Quote:"I think it's more important for women with small children
to own a gun because you can't run when you have children," she said.
Quote:This is just sad. And you're telling me that those children
have no fear instilled into them when their mothers are talking like this?
At the age of 8, my own fears were quieted and nullified
when I strapped on my first gun; I have felt tranquil ever since.
I take it that when u go to bed at nite,
u have no gun around to defend yourself, if the need arises ?
Even the QUEEN OF ENGLAND,
found herself in need of personal defense
in her bedroom only a few years ago.
Do u sleep in a better state of security than she does ?
Quote:"More people out there aren't feeling safe," Anderson said.
Quote:And we can think of no other changes that might need to be made?
Well, how do u feel about applying Julius Caesar 's way
of disarming criminals ?
Here r David 's proposals for reduction of crime:
1. Repeal all victim disarmament laws,
so that each citizen can and will attend to his own self defense, as he sees fit,
thus restoring the status quo ante as of the early 20th Century,
both in America and in England.
2. Repeal all laws controlling what people r prohibited
from voluntarily ingesting ( addictive drugs )
thus restoring the personal freedom of the early 20th Century.
Then folks can choose to buy whatever thay wish,
at little cost, from a drug store without violently preying upon
their fellow citizens to coerce them into financially supporting
their drug habits. Those drug prices have been artificially inflated
to the FINANCIAL GLORY of illegal drug dealers, ( by law )
at the expense of public safety.
Drug laws are deeply unAmerican.
3. BANISH feloniously violent criminal recidivists
from the North American Continent; ( rather than release them back into polite society ).
Maybe we can rent space in Botany Bay;
if not, we ll find somewhere else.
America owns islands in the Aleutian chain
that r closer to Japan, than to America.
Quote:They've also met their share of so-called soccer moms who no longer are
packing only lunches -- now they want to pack heat.
Quote:If this wasn't so sad- it'd be funny.
When I first began to pack heat,
I WAS HAPPY; I am still happy.
Sadness had no home in MY being when I made
my first 2 inch .38 revolver my companion.
Quote:And in doing so, gun manufacturers have clued into
something else -- that there's a market for stylish and more feminine
accessories and products.
Gun manufacturer Taurus, for instance, unveiled a pink-pearl handgun,
as well as a smaller-barreled gun, which can fit more easily in purses.
There's even a range of chic holster purses that are just as fashionable
as high-end handbags. What better way to appeal to women?
Quote:This is funny.
Let's just mask the real issue
by dressing it up and making it look pretty for the girls.
Define the " real issue " ?
David
Quote:The air is thick and smoky, and the place is packed.
People are forced to shout over the boom, boom, boom.
Quote:sounds like a nightmare to me.
I would no more want to spend a minute of my free time
in this environment than have my teeth pulled.
I have NOT found the air to be thick nor smoky
in any gunnery range, be it indoor nor outdoor, that I have ever used.
I wud compare it to taking a class on how best to manage
your cholesterol, for long life, or a class in safe swimming.
Quote:
And it's an infringement on my freedoms and rights
and pursuit of happiness that I have to feel
that it might be in my best interest to do so.
Your emotions r your your own private choice.
No one is coercing u into a selection of any emotion.
In any case,
your selection of emotions, has no effect on the rights
of any of your fellow citizens.
"I keep it on me wherever I go," she said when finished.
The mother of an 18-year-old son, she keeps a Springfield semiautomatic
in her purse and a Beretta pistol at home or in her glove box.
Quote:"I think it's more important for women with small children to own a gun
because you can't run when you have children," she said.
Quote:I would have no peace of mind if I had a gun in any proximity to my children.
According to the National Safety Council,
many, many more people die from drowning annually
than from gunfire; the latter just gets a lot more ATTENTION in the press.
How do you feel about your children being around CARS ?
Many, many multiples of deaths result from automotive accidents
than from gunfire.
Do u tell them to stay away from cars ?
Medical malpractice ? The ratio of deaths from that
to gunfire is GIGANTIC.
Quote:
Because even if I trusted my own children-
how would I know what any of their friends would do if they happened
upon a gun in my home or in my car or bag? I wouldn't.
Hence the need for hands-on education
in safe and accurate firearms handling education early
in each child 's education, along with arithmetic, geografy n fonetic spelling.
( Do thay go thru your bags ? )
Quote:(And I've told you about the tragedy that happened in my extended family when a small child got his hands on a gun- and my uncle and aunt were responsible and loving parents).
What was that again ?
At the age of 8, my own fears were quieted and nullified
when I strapped on my first gun; I have felt tranquil ever since.
I take it that when u go to bed at nite,
u have no gun around to defend yourself, if the need arises ?
Even the QUEEN OF ENGLAND,
found herself in need of personal defense
in her bedroom only a few years ago.
Do u sleep in a better state of security than she does ?[/b]
"More people out there aren't feeling safe," Anderson said.
And we can think of no other changes that might need to be made?
Take a guess (about how I feel about applying Julius Ceasar's way of disarming criminals)? You know what I meant. You just know it's a good question to which you don't have any answers except that it would take too much effort and change in peoples' attitudes. But I'm willing to bet, you wish it could be different too.Here r David 's proposals for reduction of crime:
1. Repeal all victim disarmament laws,
so that each citizen can and will attend to his own self defense, as he sees fit,
thus restoring the status quo ante as of the early 20th Century,
both in America and in England.
2. Repeal all laws controlling what people r prohibited
from voluntarily ingesting ( addictive drugs )
thus restoring the personal freedom of the early 20th Century.
Then folks can choose to buy whatever thay wish,
at little cost, from a drug store without violently preying upon
their fellow citizens to coerce them into financially supporting
their drug habits. Those drug prices have been artificially inflated
to the FINANCIAL GLORY of illegal drug dealers, ( by law )
at the expense of public safety.
Drug laws are deeply unAmerican.
3. BANISH feloniously violent criminal recidivists
from the North American Continent; ( rather than release them back into polite society ).
Maybe we can rent space in Botany Bay;
if not, we ll find somewhere else.
America owns islands in the Aleutian chain
that r closer to Japan, than to America. [/b][/color]
I WAS HAPPY; I am still happy.
Sadness had no home in MY being
Quote:when I made
my first 2 inch .38 revolver my companion.[/b]
Define the " real issue " ?
Hey David! How are you?
Quote:The air is thick and smoky, and the place is packed.
People are forced to shout over the boom, boom, boom.
Quote:sounds like a nightmare to me.
I would no more want to spend a minute of my free time
in this environment than have my teeth pulled.
I have NOT found the air to be thick nor smoky
in any gunnery range, be it indoor nor outdoor, that I have ever used.
So do you think that was just artistic license
in that the author was trying to make his piece more atmospheric
and so maybe he exaggerated?
I wud compare it to taking a class on how best to manage
your cholesterol, for long life, or a class in safe swimming.
Would you really take a class in how to manage your cholesterol?
I'd have to pass on that one I think.
That's one instance in which I'd use Coberst's model of self-teaching/learning.
Do you think you really need a class in terms of handling firearms?
If you have pretty good natural aim,
don't you think you could just read the manual
about the safety features and take it out into the woods
and practice shooting targets?
I know that's what I'd be tempted to do,
so I suspect a lot of other people do that.
Is a safety course mandatory when you buy a fire-arm?
Quote:
And it's an infringement on my freedoms and rights
and pursuit of happiness that I have to feel
that it might be in my best interest to do so.
Your emotions r your your own private choice.
No one is coercing u into a selection of any emotion.
In any case,
your selection of emotions, has no effect on the rights
of any of your fellow citizens.
Of course not- unless they are the ones who are inflicting their messed up emotions on me
through dangerous or deadly use of firearms.
"I keep it on me wherever I go," she said when finished.
The mother of an 18-year-old son, she keeps a Springfield semiautomatic
in her purse and a Beretta pistol at home or in her glove box.
Quote:"I think it's more important for women with small children to own a gun
because you can't run when you have children," she said.
Quote:I would have no peace of mind if I had a gun in any proximity to my children.
According to the National Safety Council,
many, many more people die from drowning annually
than from gunfire; the latter just gets a lot more ATTENTION in the press.
How do you feel about your children being around CARS ?
Many, many multiples of deaths result from automotive accidents
than from gunfire.
Do u tell them to stay away from cars ?
DAVID Cars and automobiles
used for daily transport are a fact of life. What I'm saying is that violence
and self-protection from random acts of violence should not be.
Unfortunately they are in the US- but they are NOT
in other countries.
I would love you to address why you do not see it as important or even
logical for us to examine what we could do in our own country to make it
safer for its citizens- ASIDE and APART from arming ourselves.
Medical malpractice ? The ratio of deaths from that
to gunfire is GIGANTIC.
Yes, and if there are all of these perils already built into our lifestyle in our country- why don't we remove those that we can?
Dysentery and malaria and starvation and AIDS are perils that run
rampant in certain undeveloped or developing third world countries. But
I never hear people saying- "More people die of malaria- so that means
we shouldn't attempt to limit the negative impact of dysentary."
Quote:
Because even if I trusted my own children-
how would I know what any of their friends would do if they happened
upon a gun in my home or in my car or bag? I wouldn't.
Hence the need for hands-on education
in safe and accurate firearms handling education early
in each child 's education, along with arithmetic, geografy n fonetic spelling.
( Do thay go thru your bags ? )
Listen- I've learned that even if I tell kids (in general) not to do something-
I shouldn't be surprised when I've found out they've done it anyway.
I'm forever saying things to my kids like,
"Can you get my wallet out of my bag for me?"
"Will you please go out to the car and bring me that map out of the glove compartment?"
(Just as an aside, my kids even know my password to my e-mail- I had to laugh
the other day when I was reading a thread and people who are in a
family together don't want each other to know what's on their e-mail.
I don't have any secrets from my children- they know exactly who I am
and I want them to feel comfortable that they do.
How else will they be able to trust in me)?
But what that means to me as a mother-
is that I have to make sure my environment is safe for my kids-
in every way, but especially physically -because if a child has any level
of intelligence at all- they will be curious and explore- even when they're
told not to. I know this- because it's what I was constantly doing as a child.
Quote:(And I've told you about the tragedy that happened
in my extended family when a small child got his hands on a gun- and my
uncle and aunt were responsible and loving parents).
What was that again ?
My five year old cousin found his father's gun and fatally shot his two
year old sister. He never got over that- he died before he was 45 years
old of alcolhol fed depression.
At the age of 8, my own fears were quieted and nullified
when I strapped on my first gun; I have felt tranquil ever since.
I'm glad it's worked so well for you- truly-
I only wish everyone could find tranquility and happiness so easily.
I take it that when u go to bed at nite,
u have no gun around to defend yourself, if the need arises ?
No gun, but the house I'm living in has a panic button which connects right to the police station. I actually pushed it a couple of months after I first moved in (I thought it was the thermostat) and a couple of bobbies were at my door in less than two or three minutes. So I'm all set.
Even the QUEEN OF ENGLAND,
found herself in need of personal defense
in her bedroom only a few years ago.
Do u sleep in a better state of security than she does ?[/b]
I think I probably live in a safer and less crime ridden part of England than she does.
"More people out there aren't feeling safe," Anderson said.
And we can think of no other changes that might need to be made?
You know what I meant.
You just know it's a good question to which you don't have any answers
except that it would take too much effort and change in peoples' attitudes.
But I'm willing to bet, you wish it could be different too.
Here r David 's proposals for reduction of crime:
1. Repeal all victim disarmament laws,
so that each citizen can and will attend to his own self defense, as he sees fit,
thus restoring the status quo ante as of the early 20th Century,
both in America and in England.
What about people who can't afford firearms or training?
Would they still be expected to attend to their own self-defense?
2. Repeal all laws controlling what people r prohibited
from voluntarily ingesting ( addictive drugs )
thus restoring the personal freedom of the early 20th Century.
Then folks can choose to buy whatever thay wish,
at little cost, from a drug store without violently preying upon
their fellow citizens to coerce them into financially supporting
their drug habits. Those drug prices have been artificially inflated
to the FINANCIAL GLORY of illegal drug dealers, ( by law )
at the expense of public safety.
Drug laws are deeply unAmerican.
This is a whole different issue.
I'm with you to an extent, but then I see someone I really like
just wasted out of their heads on one drug or another (at work) and it
just strikes me of what a huge waste of human potential drug use is.
I don't want to send the message to our children that it's fine to do by making it legal and available.
I'd honestly rather live with the crime.
3. BANISH feloniously violent criminal recidivists
from the North American Continent; ( rather than release them back into polite society ).
Maybe we can rent space in Botany Bay;
if not, we ll find somewhere else.
America owns islands in the Aleutian chain
that r closer to Japan, than to America. [/b][/color]
I think this is a great idea.
I'd like to go too though....maybe I could work there.
I WAS HAPPY; I am still happy.
Sadness had no home in MY being
This is a beautiful statement- I really like the way you put this.
Do you write poetry David? I'd not be surprised at all...
I think this would be a beautiful first line for a poem:
SADNESS HAS NO HOME IN MY BEING....
when I made
my first 2 inch .38 revolver my companion.[/b]
Define the " real issue " ?
That we cannot be safe and truly free in our homes and in our streets.
I was reading some interesting quotes about America (as a concept).
I wondered what you might think of them.
1. This nation is founded on blood like a city on swamps,
yet its dream has been beautiful and sometimes just-
that now grows brutal and heavy as a burned-out star.
(Marge Piercy)
2. O, let America be America again. The land that never has been yet-
And yet must be. (Langston Hughes)
3. America is like an unfaithful lover who promised us more than we got.
(Charlotte Bunch)
="OmSigDAVID"]Aidan wrote:
Hey David! How are you?
Fine, thank u.
How r u
Do u know where to aim ?
How to deal with recoil in your piece of choice ? ( e.g., my .44 special ? )
Shud u wait until u smell smoke
b4 u read the box on how to operate your fire extinguisher ?
[/b]
Shud your wisdom guide your temptations ?
And it's an infringement on my freedoms and rights
and pursuit of happiness that I have to feel
that it might be in my best interest to do so.
Of course not- unless they are the ones who are inflicting their messed up emotions on me
through dangerous or deadly use of firearms.
Self defense is an ABSOLUTE, INALIENABLE RIGHT.
That includes the right of immediate access
to emergency equipment to support that right.
I admire your choice of residential real estate.
I might have thought that the Royal Palace wud be in a decent part of town.
Well, how do u feel about applying Julius Caesar 's way
of disarming criminals ?
Quote:
You know what I meant.
You just know it's a good question to which you don't have any answers
except that it would take too much effort and change in peoples' attitudes.
In the town of Kennisaw, Georgia,
any household that cannot afford a gun
is required by law
to stop by the police station and one is provided for him.
That town has a very low rate of crime.[/b]
In other words, GOVERNMENT ( by its anti-drug laws )
IS A CRIME FACTORY.[/b]
I'm with you to an extent, but then I see someone I really like
just wasted out of their heads on one drug or another (at work) and it
just strikes me of what a huge waste of human potential drug use is.
I don't want to send the message to our children that it's fine to do by making it legal and available.
I'd honestly rather live with the crime.
Quote:3. BANISH feloniously violent criminal recidivists
from the North American Continent; ( rather than release them back into polite society ).
Maybe we can rent space in Botany Bay;
if not, we ll find somewhere else.
America owns islands in the Aleutian chain
that r closer to Japan, than to America. [/b][/color]
Quote:I think this is a great idea.
I'd like to go too though....maybe I could work there.
During WWII,
the Aleutian Islands did not have a good reputation
for weather, among our troops.
U might wish to reconsider.
.I think this would be a beautiful first line for a poem:
SADNESS HAS NO HOME IN MY BEING....
when I made
my first 2 inch .38 revolver my companion.[/b]
Quote:Define the " real issue " ?
Quote:That we cannot be safe and truly free in our homes and in our streets.
Quote:I was reading some interesting quotes about America (as a concept).
I wondered what you might think of them.
Quote:Quote:
2. O, let America be America again. The land that never has been yet-
And yet must be. (Langston Hughes)
So stipulated:
let America return to the freedom and simplicity of the 1800s.
I really hate when you selectively forget how less than free America was for many of its citizens in the l800's. That's beneath you David- I believe you're more inclusively caring than that- no matter how you'd like to make yourself appear.
Later- Rebecca
PS- sorry for all the messed up quotes. I hope you could figure out who said what when, etc.
That in order to insure that your child gets into a good school, acts responsibly towards society, and perhaps gets a masters or a Phd you have to retard his physical and social developement considerably. Sometimes the conflict between natural requirements and societal requirements hurts.
