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Which Water Softener Do You Recommend?

 
 
Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 08:55 pm
I got back from the dermatologist and he said that we (Dh and I) need to get an inexpensive water softener for our home here in So Cal due to water hardness. We are not huge DIY'ers but can manage some assembly and minor labor. I have been searching the internet for weeks getting many different and contrasting opinions and reading about how much trouble they are to maintain. YIKES! I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed with all of the choices. I have read quite a few posts about Fleck's 2510 SE and this seems to be a good choice. Opinions, advice or any recommendations would be greatly appreciated!

TIA
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 09:38 pm
The 2510 is a good control valve but not DIY repairable without special Fleck tools.

The Clack WS-1 control valves are the same piston, seals and spacer design as the Fleck controls but the Clack line needs no special tools and any DIYer can rebuild it totally and have the water back on in less than 30 minutes.

So I suggest a correctly sized softener using a Clack WS-1 control valve. It has features the 2510 does not have. The size will depend on what SFR (service flow rating) your house requires.
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justalurker
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 10:34 pm
If you are on a municipal water system the city or county water department will be able to provide you with a detailed report on your water conditions and the water treatment pros will know that info also.

If you are not on a water system then get a complete water test from an independent lab. This is a MUST DO because without it everything is a guess. A quickie water test from Sears or a water softener company won't be complete. They only test for the "profitable" stuff.

Hit the Yellow Pages and call at least three local water treatment pros. Make sure you call at least one of the big dogs like Kinetico or Culligan (for comparison) and at least a couple independent pros. DON'T TELL THEM YOU HAD YOUR WATER TESTED.

Give each an opportunity to offer suggestions and provide you with a quote to meet your water treatment needs. (the following sentence does not apply if you're on a water system, see paragraph #1) IGNORE ANY THAT DON'T TEST YOUR WATER THEMSELVES as they can't speak intelligently to water treatment without knowing what needs to be treated.

Ask lots of questions. Warranty, parts & labor, how long? Install, permits required, licensed plumber? Routine maintenance and costs? Make sure the entire house will have softened water and not just the water heater. Do they stock parts? Response time for emergency (water leak) calls? If they don't explain things to your satisfaction that is a good indicator of how you'll be treated after the sale.

After they've gone use your water test to compare with their's. Are all your treatment needs being addressed?

Ask your neighbors if they have any water treatment experience. They might tell you who's good or who to avoid.

Some people deem it a reasonable expense to pay more to get a full service solution and want to look the seller in the eye. A parts and labor warranty and competent (and in some localities a legal ) installation costs money and is value added to a softener softener by a local pro.

Some people prefer the cheapest solution and are willing to forego service and a "real time" (and labor) warranty. As long as they fully understand what they get and what they don't get IN ADVANCE that might be the right choice for them and maybe not. But remember, when you do it yourself there's no one else to blame :wink:

Success in obtaining the quality water you want, and expect, when you spend your hard earned money is a function of doing your homework. It costs you nothing but a little time to research water treatment with local businesses and you will learn a great deal. With real estate it's location, location, location and with water treatment it's DEALER, DEALER, DEALER.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 10:36 pm
Cool One nice thing about the Fleck 2510SE is that it rarely needs repairs...




KrisLeighUSC, are you on chlorinated municipal/city water?
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KrisLeighUSC
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 10:28 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Cool
KrisLeighUSC, are you on chlorinated municipal/city water?


Yes. We get Los Angeles County water along with the rest of the track homes in our area. Is that a bad thing???

TIA :-)
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 10:37 am
KrisLeighUSC wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
Cool
KrisLeighUSC, are you on chlorinated municipal/city water?


Yes. We get Los Angeles County water along with the rest of the track homes in our area. Is that a bad thing???

TIA :-)


No, it's not a bad thing Very Happy

I suggest the ECOWATER EER 3500. It is made for county water and uses very little salt, less than any other system.
It softens the water and reduces chlorine. Hard water and chlorine will mess with your skin.
ECOWATER is not a do it yourself item, you will need to find a local dealer for sales and installation.
The system needs little if any service. Check out the linked RO, it's an excellent drinking water system.

HTH ~
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KrisLeighUSC
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 10:51 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
KrisLeighUSC wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
Cool
KrisLeighUSC, are you on chlorinated municipal/city water?


Yes. We get Los Angeles County water along with the rest of the track homes in our area. Is that a bad thing???

TIA :-)


No, it's not a bad thing Very Happy

I suggest the ECOWATER EER 3500. It is made for county water and uses very little salt, less than any other system.
It softens the water and reduces chlorine. Hard water and chlorine will mess with your skin.
ECOWATER is not a do it yourself item, you will need to find a local dealer for sales and installation.
The system needs little if any service. Check out the linked RO, it's an excellent drinking water system.

HTH ~


Am I missing the link? Silly me, I can't find it ;-)

Thanks again for your help! You are very kind and helpful!
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 10:58 am
KrisLeighUSC wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
KrisLeighUSC wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
Cool
KrisLeighUSC, are you on chlorinated municipal/city water?


Yes. We get Los Angeles County water along with the rest of the track homes in our area. Is that a bad thing???

TIA :-)


No, it's not a bad thing Very Happy

I suggest the ECOWATER EER 3500. It is made for county water and uses very little salt, less than any other system.
It softens the water and reduces chlorine. Hard water and chlorine will mess with your skin.
ECOWATER is not a do it yourself item, you will need to find a local dealer for sales and installation.
The system needs little if any service. Check out the linked RO, it's an excellent drinking water system.

HTH ~


Am I missing the link? Silly me, I can't find it ;-)

Thanks again for your help! You are very kind and helpful!


LINK
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KrisLeighUSC
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 11:01 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
KrisLeighUSC wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
KrisLeighUSC wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
Cool
KrisLeighUSC, are you on chlorinated municipal/city water?


Yes. We get Los Angeles County water along with the rest of the track homes in our area. Is that a bad thing???

TIA :-)


No, it's not a bad thing Very Happy

I suggest the ECOWATER EER 3500. It is made for county water and uses very little salt, less than any other system.
It softens the water and reduces chlorine. Hard water and chlorine will mess with your skin.
ECOWATER is not a do it yourself item, you will need to find a local dealer for sales and installation.
The system needs little if any service. Check out the linked RO, it's an excellent drinking water system.

HTH ~


Am I missing the link? Silly me, I can't find it ;-)

Thanks again for your help! You are very kind and helpful!


LINK


Perfect! Thank you!! YAY!
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 11:17 am
justalurker wrote:
If you are on a municipal water system the city or county water department will be able to provide you with a detailed report on your water conditions and the water treatment pros will know that info also.

If you are not on a water system then get a complete water test from an independent lab. This is a MUST DO because without it everything is a guess. A quickie water test from Sears or a water softener company won't be complete. They only test for the "profitable" stuff.


A softener is said to be needed and normally the only things in water that a softener removes is hardness, iron and manganese. So any test done by anyone for those parameters is sufficient.

Anything else would require other than a softener but... anyone on their own well water should have certain parameters tested annually and then, if needed, appropriate equipment should be obtained.

Justalurker. Please define what parameters should be included in the "complete" water test you mention.

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Hit the Yellow Pages and call at least three local water treatment pros. Make sure you call at least one of the big dogs like Kinetico or Culligan (for comparison) and at least a couple independent pros. DON'T TELL THEM YOU HAD YOUR WATER TESTED.

Give each an opportunity to offer suggestions and provide you with a quote to meet your water treatment needs. (the following sentence does not apply if you're on a water system, see paragraph #1) IGNORE ANY THAT DON'T TEST YOUR WATER THEMSELVES as they can't speak intelligently to water treatment without knowing what needs to be treated.

Ask lots of questions. Warranty, parts & labor, how long? Install, permits required, licensed plumber? Routine maintenance and costs? Make sure the entire house will have softened water and not just the water heater. Do they stock parts? Response time for emergency (water leak) calls? If they don't explain things to your satisfaction that is a good indicator of how you'll be treated after the sale.


All that takes up a lot of time and effort for a DIYer and there is no benefit to them in doing it.

Plus the fact that no warranty includes free labor. All free labor claims by a dealer are based on an amount of money being added into the purchase price of the equipment to cover any future problems in like the first year after installation only. Kinda like the high priced extended warranties on appliances etc. which are a ripoff in most cases.

And the fact is that most consumers do not want to call a dealer for service and stand around waiting for them to show up or eventually call saying they are running two hours late or they won't be there until tomorrow between 10 AM and 2 PM etc..

Now if a person wants local service, they shouldn't be posting in DIYer forums except to check out what a local sales person has told them as to the equipment proposed.... they should be in their local yellow pages speaking to local sales people. The fact is that most people want to be DIYers and self reliant rather than dependent on a local dealer, and save huge sums of money when they purchase the same or better quality equipment over the internet. And if needed, they can always spend some of the savings to call a local dealer to service what they bought over the internet and if they buy right, they can easily fix it themselves in about the same time as it takes for the local service guy to show up.
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 11:20 am
justalurker wrote:
If you are on a municipal water system the city or county water department will be able to provide you with a detailed report on your water conditions and the water treatment pros will know that info also.

If you are not on a water system then get a complete water test from an independent lab. This is a MUST DO because without it everything is a guess. A quickie water test from Sears or a water softener company won't be complete. They only test for the "profitable" stuff.


A softener is said to be needed and normally the only things in water that a softener removes is hardness, iron and manganese. So any test done by anyone for those parameters is sufficient.

Anything else would require other than a softener but... anyone on their own well water should have certain parameters tested annually and then, if needed, appropriate equipment should be obtained.

Justalurker. Please define what parameters should be included in the "complete" water test you mention.

Quote:
Hit the Yellow Pages and call at least three local water treatment pros. Make sure you call at least one of the big dogs like Kinetico or Culligan (for comparison) and at least a couple independent pros. DON'T TELL THEM YOU HAD YOUR WATER TESTED.

Give each an opportunity to offer suggestions and provide you with a quote to meet your water treatment needs. (the following sentence does not apply if you're on a water system, see paragraph #1) IGNORE ANY THAT DON'T TEST YOUR WATER THEMSELVES as they can't speak intelligently to water treatment without knowing what needs to be treated.

Ask lots of questions. Warranty, parts & labor, how long? Install, permits required, licensed plumber? Routine maintenance and costs? Make sure the entire house will have softened water and not just the water heater. Do they stock parts? Response time for emergency (water leak) calls? If they don't explain things to your satisfaction that is a good indicator of how you'll be treated after the sale.


All that takes up a lot of time and effort for a DIYer and there is no benefit to them in doing it.

Plus the fact that no warranty includes free labor. All free labor claims by a dealer are based on an amount of money being added into the purchase price of the equipment to cover any future problems in like the first year after installation only. Kinda like the high priced extended warranties on appliances etc. which are a ripoff to the vast majority of consumers.

And the fact is that most consumers do not want to call a dealer for service and stand around waiting for them to show up or eventually call saying they are running two hours late or they won't be there until tomorrow between 10 AM and 2 PM etc..

Now if a person wants local service, they shouldn't be posting in DIYer forums except to check out what a local sales person has told them as to the equipment proposed.... they should be in their local yellow pages and then speaking to local sales people.

The fact is that most people want to be DIYers and self reliant rather than dependent on a local dealer, and save huge sums of money when they purchase the same or better quality equipment over the internet. And if needed, they can always spend some of the savings to call a local dealer to service what they bought over the internet and if they buy right, they can easily fix it themselves in about the same time as it takes for the local service guy to show up.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 11:28 am
KrisLeighUSC wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
KrisLeighUSC wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
KrisLeighUSC wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
Cool
KrisLeighUSC, are you on chlorinated municipal/city water?


Yes. We get Los Angeles County water along with the rest of the track homes in our area. Is that a bad thing???

TIA :-)


No, it's not a bad thing Very Happy

I suggest the ECOWATER EER 3500. It is made for county water and uses very little salt, less than any other system.
It softens the water and reduces chlorine. Hard water and chlorine will mess with your skin.
ECOWATER is not a do it yourself item, you will need to find a local dealer for sales and installation.
The system needs little if any service. Check out the linked RO, it's an excellent drinking water system.

HTH ~


Am I missing the link? Silly me, I can't find it ;-)

Thanks again for your help! You are very kind and helpful!


LINK


Perfect! Thank you!! YAY!




Cool My pleasure ~ I'm here to help.

Let me know how it works out.
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