Iran seizes British Navy Personnel in Iraqi Waters

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Then do it swiftly, economically and totally and tell anyone who doesn't like it to go f**k themselves.

But this spending a few million dollars to start up the fleet, pull up to the border and moon them is expensive and stupid.

Damn straight....

not saying that at all... just stating that you seem to think the blood and guts solution is always the immediate and correct course.... maybe I'm wrong.... but that seems to be how you present.

I personally think that IF the Iranians took these sailors out of international waters and refuse to return them.... IF..... then we should bomb and destroy all their ports and tell them we realize that they're going to kill the hostages but we're going to do it anyway.

Then do it swiftly, economically and totally and tell anyone who doesn't like it to go f**k themselves.

But this spending a few million dollars to start up the fleet, pull up to the border and moon them is expensive and stupid.

okay I'll bite...... why?

I am no hero nor do I set standards for bravery but I think I can say without reservation that I would rather be killed in a missile strike by my own countrymen than tortured and eventually killed over time by hostiles.

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I am no hero nor do I set standards for bravery but I think I can say without reservation that I would rather be killed in a missile strike by my own countrymen than tortured and eventually killed over time by hostiles.

And if the "hostiles" are treating you quite well? First of all we dont have consular access. We dont know where they are. They appear to be well treated. Iran is playing a very clever game here but then so might the Brits in furtherance of American war aims. What about the 5 Iranians who had diplomatic status kidnapped by the Americans in Irbil and "disappeared" into the American gulag? Dont you think that might influence Iranian thinking?

Steve 41oo wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I am no hero nor do I set standards for bravery but I think I can say without reservation that I would rather be killed in a missile strike by my own countrymen than tortured and eventually killed over time by hostiles.

And if the "hostiles" are treating you quite well? First of all we dont have consular access. We dont know where they are. They appear to be well treated. Iran is playing a very clever game here but then so might the Brits in furtherance of American war aims. What about the 5 Iranians who had diplomatic status kidnapped by the Americans in Irbil and "disappeared" into the American gulag? Dont you think that might influence Iranian thinking?

Being kidnapped and then treated well, a possibility made less plausible by the almost instantaneous confessions of these ordinary British sailors, is still not an acceptable condition. Your people have been kidnapped, and another rant about America the Great Satan doesn't really address the situation that your country and countrymen are now in.

Not Bi-Polar Bear...

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I am no hero nor do I set standards for bravery but I think I can say without reservation that I would rather be killed in a missile strike by my own countrymen than tortured and eventually killed over time by hostiles.

And if the "hostiles" are treating you quite well? First of all we dont have consular access. We dont know where they are. They appear to be well treated. Iran is playing a very clever game here but then so might the Brits in furtherance of American war aims. What about the 5 Iranians who had diplomatic status kidnapped by the Americans in Irbil and "disappeared" into the American gulag? Dont you think that might influence Iranian thinking?

Steve 41oo wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I am no hero nor do I set standards for bravery but I think I can say without reservation that I would rather be killed in a missile strike by my own countrymen than tortured and eventually killed over time by hostiles.

And if the "hostiles" are treating you quite well? First of all we dont have consular access. We dont know where they are. They appear to be well treated. Iran is playing a very clever game here but then so might the Brits in furtherance of American war aims. What about the 5 Iranians who had diplomatic status kidnapped by the Americans in Irbil and "disappeared" into the American gulag? Dont you think that might influence Iranian thinking?

Being kidnapped and then treated well, a possibility made less plausible by the almost instantaneous confessions of these ordinary British sailors, is still not an acceptable condition. Your people have been kidnapped, and another rant about America the Great Satan doesn't really address the situation that your country and countrymen are now in. I have no doubt that someone can work out logic by which the kidnapping of your people is our president's fault, but it's nonsense.

Fifteen British marine who illegally entered into Iranian territorial waters were arrested by the Iranian border guards.

The British media and officials have launched a wave of propaganda campaign against Iran immediately after capture of the British sailors and marines.

Regardless of the GPS surveys, monitored by Iran and offered to the British government, the British media insist that the British navy has not violated Iranian waters.