Homosexuality v. Christianity -- A FEW QUESTIONS:

Tell that to City TV...

There's also Metropolitan Community Church, a Christian church verfied by the government which is a gay church. Well, there are Christians and then there are Christians. And we are all sinners -- it's just that sex embarasses so many that they are fixated on that as the sin of sins.
Quite antique thought processes but consider the source.

There are several books about the historical evidence of Moses and the Exodus for that matter. It doesn't look promising for the Bible and those who believe in the Old Testament. The Seven Plagues, the parting of the Red Sea (actually the Reed Sea, a much shallower body of water near the delta of the Nile), the pillar of fire -- all coincide with recorded natural disasters during that period. Egypt didn't use slave labor in the building of their monuments -- they hired their own people, often farmers whose crops were harvested and needed work. If Moses wrote so much of the Old Testament, how could he escape the documentation of history? Answer -- it was all compiled and edited (with the accent on edited) long after the verbal tales were set down on scraps of parchment. The Dead Sea Scrolls don't just fill in some missing material, they contradicted much of what was in the Bible at that time. The King James version (!) further edited the Bible to please the clergy of that time. Of course, they purposefully left in what passages condemned what they did not understand. The politics of religion makes all the other forms of politics look reasonable. Talk about hidden agendas or agendas that have a rationlization a twelve year old chimpanzee could see through.

I don't know if I want to go that far, cavfancier, but I would say that I don't understand why anyone feels the need to take their particular religious writings literally. In my opinion, they were all set down by men of their times in order to deal with their own peoples' survival. The bible seems to have some interesting tales in it, but why think we can use it as a guidebook now or as justification for finding even more ways to divide us?

I would agree there angelina, my opinion, and Frank's as well, is that it is a work of fiction, and should be taken as such. There are equally good lessons to be learned in non-religious literature. The problem is not with the tales, just the blindness of zealots who claim it is the word of god, and then use it to justify horrid acts.

george carlin suggests little red riding hood and the 3 little pigs.
but there are also those like mother theresa who claim it is the word of god and use it to justify humanitarian acts. it works both ways.

Yes, ye110man, my point is simply why do we need to justify good acts with the bible? Why not just "justify" them with plain decency or social responsiltity instead?

Welcome, Angelina! And a warm welcome to your comments!

we can. but religion provides that extra push for some.

ye110man


More often than not that extra push is in the wrong direction.

Tartarin: Thank you so very much! Your post is much appreciated

Regardless of these writings.
It seems to me that the best
Shamen are Homosexuals. May Shawomen too.
I think the conncetion to divinity is reached through a gay attitude.
Nature does not hate any of it's it's cretaures...
Only a few sick creatures among us are the true creatures of hate and misjustice.
We have been both friend and foe to ourselves.
We are governed by a radical mind thats determination is as gfar reaching
as a fly in a spiders web when it comes to these base type thoughts or statements.
Corruption is forever present
and weekness and sin can appear as readily in the bible as any manisfestation of human development.

i don't know about that. we certainly hear more about those bad cases. there just isn't much news these days about the salvation army, ymca, soup kitchens, and hospitals. even mother theresa's death was overshadowed by princess di's.
in terms of those in the spotlight you're right. ghandi, martin luther king jr, and mother theresa have given way to bin laden, al sharpton, and pat robertson. but i have personally seen religion do wonders for some of the people i know. they've turned their life around completely.

ye110man
If religion worked for you as an individual that is great. However, just consider the damage it's followers have done in the name of religion throught the ages.

If there is a Christian quote that I loathe more than that one -- I cannot bring it to mind.

Well....maybe that thing about "Jesus died for our sins" sometimes bothers me more, but...

In the words of the immortal punk band Crass: "Jesus died for his own sins, not mine."

and all this time i thought it was Custer that died for our sins. Oy

Hey, I found the full lyrics....strange....this was one of those 'instantly banned' songs in England....recited by one of the wimmins in the band, btw.

REALITY ASYLUM

I am no feeble Christ, not me He hangs in glib delight upon His cross Above my body, lowly me Christ forgive, forgive? Holy He, He holy, He holy? **** He forgives, Forgive? Forgive? I? I? Me? I? I vomit for you Jesu Christy Christus Puke upon your papal throne Wrapped you are in the bloody shroud Of churlish suicide Wrapped I am in the muddy cloud Of hellish genocide Petulant child I have suffered for you Where you have never known me I too must die Will you be shadowed in the arrogance Of my death? Your valley truth What lights pass those pious heights? What passing bells for these in their trucks? For you lord You are the flag-bearer of these nations One against the other that die in the mud No piety. No deity Is that your forgiveness? Saint. Martyr. Goat. Billy. Forgive? **** He forgives He hangs upon His cross In self-righteous judgement Hangs in crucified delight Nailed to the extent of His vision His cross. His manhood. His violence. Guilt. Sin He would nail my body to His cross As if I might have perfumed His body Washed those bloody feet This woman that He seeks Suicide visionary. Death reveller. Rake. Rapist Gravedigger. Earthmover. Lifefucker. Jesu You scooped the pits of Auschwitz The soil of Treblinka is rich in your guilt The sorrow of your tradition Your stupid humility is the crown of thorns We all must wear. For you. Ha. Master Master of gore. Enigma. Stigma. Stigmata. Errata. Eraser The cross is the mast of our oppression You fly there, vain flag. You carry it Wear it on your back, Lord. Your back Enola is your gaiety Suffer little children to come unto me Suffer in that horror. Hirohorror. Hirrohiro Hiroshimmer. Shimmerhiro. Hiroshima. Hiroshima The bodies are your delight The incandescent flame is the spirit of it They come to you, Jesu. To you The nails are the only trinity Hold them in your corpsey gracelessness The image that I have had to suffer These nails at my temple The cross is the virgin body of womanhood That you defile In your guilt you turn your back Nailed to that body Lame-arse Jesus calls me sister There are no words for my contempt Every woman is a cross in His filthy theology He turns His back on me in His fear His vain delight is the pain I bear Alone He hangs. His choice. His choice Alone. Alone. His voice. His voice He shares nothing, this Christ Sterile. Impotent. Fucklove prophet of death He is the ultimate pornography He. He. Hear us Jesus You sigh alone in you cockfear You lie alone in your womanfear You die alone in your manfear Alone Jesu, alone In your cockfear. Cuntfear. Womanfear. Manfear Alone in your fear. Alone in your fear Your fear. Your fear. Warfare. Warfare Jesus died for His own sins. Not mine

She obviously read a much different book than I did.

A sickness?


Tell it to Mother Teresa and her thousands of followers in all continents, St. Francis of Assissi and his millions of followers, Fr. Peter Damian and his lepers, St. Thomas More, Martin Luther King, Lech Walesa, Copernicus, Galileo, Mendel, Dag Hammarskjold, Cardinal Kim in the Philippines, St. Maximilian Kolbe, etc., etc., etc.

Guess whose "sickness" seems to me more healthy and sane: Yours, or theirs?