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Homosexuality v. Christianity -- A FEW QUESTIONS:

 
 
Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 10:38 am
At Leviticus 20:13 -- the god of the Bible says to Moses:

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."

QUESTION:

Should Christians be killing known homosexuals?

Should Christians, at very least, be lobbying for laws making homosexual conduct a capital offense?

If a Christian kills a homosexual -- should other Christians look down on the killer-- or should they hold him in high esteem for his devotion to the dictates of his God?

As for Christians who expressing sympathy, empathy, understanding, or tolerance for homosexuals and homosexual conduct -- in other words, Christians who defy the expressed orders of their God -- should they be ostracized or otherwise soundly condemned by their fellow Christians?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 10:39 am
yes
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 10:41 am
Christianity is a sickness, these people need help, Frank, not your condemnation. Sheesh . . .

Rolling Eyes
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 10:42 am
Frank- Wanna bet that someone attempts to explain away this one by saying that Leviticus is from the Old Testament!
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 10:43 am
I can provide verses from the New Testament.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 10:43 am
did the romans run out of lions too soon?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 10:45 am
i'm waiting for another translation.
every since they moved the birth of Jesus to June, I don't believe anything any modern version of the bible says.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 10:45 am
cuz ya know - december turning out to be june is, well, a 180 degree change.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 10:46 am
The Bible never states the date of Jesus's birth. Christians were just using a heathen Roman holiday when they made Christmas.

It isn't so much a Biblical innacuracy so much as the lack of a stated date.

Through roundabout means Juneish is the guess.
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the prince
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 10:47 am
You know the funny thing is that when Muslims follow the word of the Koran to the letter, the entire world labels them as "fundamentalists".

When Christians blindly accept what is written - what do we do then ?

I don't mean to offend anyone or any religion. But things like these really get my goat. Recently there was big hullabaloo here abt a gay priest who was appointed the bishop of Reading - and similar arguments were used. He was forced to step down - not because he was not a good man, but a gay man.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 10:51 am
Gautam, Well said!
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flyboy804
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 01:06 pm
We should never discuss the bibles instructions to maltreat homosexuals without also mentioning its instructions to stone adulterers to death.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 01:13 pm
flyboy804 wrote:
We should never discuss the bibles instructions to maltreat homosexuals without also mentioning its instructions to stone adulterers to death.


You are right, flyboy.

And of course, we should mention at Leviticus 20:14, the god of the Bible instructs:

"If a man marries a woman and her mother also, the man and the two women as well shall be burned to death for their shameful conduct."

Boy, no sparer of the rod, this god.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 01:28 pm
Best course of action: ignore the bible.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 01:43 pm
I discussed this very subject with my sister, a christian, because of the bible's condemnation of homosexual behavior. She said she loves the homosexual, but not the 'sin.' c.i.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 01:53 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I discussed this very subject with my sister, a christian, because of the bible's condemnation of homosexual behavior. She said she loves the homosexual, but not the 'sin.' c.i.



Lots of Christians use that line of reasoning -- but it falls flat.

The god of the Bible -- which is to say, the Christian god -- specifically instructs humans to put to death anyone who engages in homosexual activity. At no point does the god suggest that humans should separate the sin from the human -- and hate the sin and love the human.

The god of the Bible specifically wants these people dead.

So my questions hold.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 01:54 pm
Commandment:

Honor thy father and mother.

Question:

How can a woman honor a father, who sexually abuses her?
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 01:57 pm
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The god of the Bible -- which is to say, the Christian god


Why are you calling this God, the Christian God? Leviticus is Book V of the Torah. Question
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 02:11 pm
New Haven wrote:
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The god of the Bible -- which is to say, the Christian god


Why are you calling this God, the Christian God? Leviticus is Book V of the Torah. Question


The Christians adopted him. You know -- the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost!

The "Father" is the god speaking in Leviticus -- and in the other books of the Torah.

Ask them!
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lab rat
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2003 02:19 pm
I feel like I'm about to paint a big bullseye on my head, but anyways, here's a Christian perspective:
The whole point of much of Old Testament law is to define "black and white" (sorry, Phoenix, this is going to sound like the "Old Testament" argument). The Law allows for no gray areas--on one side is a holy, all-powerful God, on the other side is everything that goes against holiness. No human can of their own accord be holy, therefore no person can hope to obey all of the Law. What the Law accomplishes is to let each person know how unholy they are--i.e., why Jesus' sacrifice was needed.
Now, to address the case in point: God set aside the Israelites as His chosen people. All the stoning (adulterers, rebellious sons, witches, idol-worshippers, homosexuals, . . .), warring, etc. was done to "purify" the Israelites, preserving them from the influence of evildoers, so that they might reflect the holiness of their God. This of course failed--the Israelites disobeyed God repeatedly--yet the commandments left no doubt about God's feelings on the issues of homosexuality, witchcraft, etc.
Now for the New Testament (again, apologies to Phoenix): would an unchanging God still demand the death sentence for homosexuals, witches, etc.? Yes, of course. However, that death sentence was transferred to Jesus. Homosexuality, adultery, etc. are still wrong; however, God's required death penalty has been paid. It is hypocritical now for Christians to discriminate against gays (although I would make an exception for positions of leadership in the church--I'll save that for a different post); we all do things that are wrong and all need forgiveness from the same Source. We can no more attack gays than we attack people who are proud, envious, liars, cheaters, etc.--sadly we all fall into one or another of these categories from time to time.
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