Religion and Circumcision

echi wrote:

You're a dork.

Coming from you, that's a compliment.

Circumcision in Australia

Today the vast majority of Australian boys grow up happily with the bodies that nature gave them. Although circumcision was common from the 1920s to the 1960s, medical authorities have been discouraging and advising against the practice since the 1970s, and it is now pretty much a thing of the past. Most parents want their boys to be as happy and healthy as possible, and they know that leaving their penis to develop naturally is the best way to secure these outcomes.

Despite this, a few die-hard enthusiasts for circumcision keep popping up in the media, full of alarmist claims about the terrible risks of retaining the foreskin. This propaganda is contrary to the advice issued by responsible medical bodies such as the Royal Australasian College of Physicians and is intended to confuse and mislead parents, and scare them into demanding circumcision for their boys. Most doctors are opposed to circumcision and will not perform the operation without genuine medical need (a rare situation). The fanatics have given up trying to influence responsible medical and scientific bodies; instead, they aim to use the popular media to frighten parents into putting pressure on doctors to agree to their demands.

Source: http://www.circinfo.org/

BTW, Reformed Jews DO NOT have to be circumcised.

Builder wrote:

echi wrote:

You're a dork.

Coming from you, that's a compliment.

I gotta be honest, I wonder if the trauma is so great for an infant also.

I had some mole or growth or something burned off my head when I was less than 2 years old.

My mother said I screamed bloody murder. I don't remember a thing.



Seriously, does anyone know of any studies that deal with the "post traumatic stress" so to speak of a baby boy being circumcised, and how it effects them compared to a control group.


Are more serial murderers circumcised or not?
Are the circumcised more often criminals? Mentally disturbed? Emotionally unstable? Etc.

Any studies on this?

by Tina Rosenberg huh?

Any chance you have a link to the actual study, Miller?

What if all studies show no lasting, harmful effects? What if a baby was incapable of remembering anything that happened to it before a certain age? The fact remains that you "screamed bloody murder" when they burned your head. Whether you remember it, or not, the pain was real.

echi wrote:

What if all studies show no lasting, harmful effects? What if a baby was incapable of remembering anything that happened to it before a certain age? The fact remains that you "screamed bloody murder" when they burned your head. Whether you remember it, or not, the pain was real.

So what? Life is about pain and suffering and if you think it isn't, you're entitled to that opinion.

No pain, no gain.

Keeping children cossetted and coddled for as long as you possibly can, creates a bunch of wussed pansies, that will be incapable of containing their grief when some real situation hits them for a six.

Let them eat dirt. Let them skin their knees. Let them catch measles. Let them live how they should be living.

As far as circumcision goes, it does make for a less sensitive sexual organ, prolonging the pleasure for both partners.

I didn't opt for that operation for my son, but like I said, he had a double hernia operation, which is much more invasive, and he was over it in five hours.

Still a dork. (I bet your wussy son is, too.)

Keeping children cossetted and coddled for as long as you possibly can, creates a bunch of wussed pansies, that will be incapable of containing their grief when some real situation hits them for a six.

echi wrote:

Still a dork. (I bet your wussy son is, too.)

I <img src="http://www.webdeveloper.com/animations/bnifiles/heart-2.gif"> you too echi. Everyone else thinks you suck. :wink:

Eorl wrote:

Circumcision in Australia

Today the vast majority of Australian boys grow up happily with the bodies that nature gave them. Although circumcision was common from the 1920s to the 1960s, medical authorities have been discouraging and advising against the practice since the 1970s, and it is now pretty much a thing of the past. Most parents want their boys to be as happy and healthy as possible, and they know that leaving their penis to develop naturally is the best way to secure these outcomes.

Despite this, a few die-hard enthusiasts for circumcision keep popping up in the media, full of alarmist claims about the terrible risks of retaining the foreskin. This propaganda is contrary to the advice issued by responsible medical bodies such as the Royal Australasian College of Physicians and is intended to confuse and mislead parents, and scare them into demanding circumcision for their boys. Most doctors are opposed to circumcision and will not perform the operation without genuine medical need (a rare situation). The fanatics have given up trying to influence responsible medical and scientific bodies; instead, they aim to use the popular media to frighten parents into putting pressure on doctors to agree to their demands.

Source: http://www.circinfo.org/

'Alarmists' and 'fanatics' spewing 'propaganda' at the American Cancer Society and the U.N. in order to 'scare' 'mislead' and 'confuse' people, eh?

Sounds like your source is the one using loaded words in order to scare folks.