THE BRITISH THREAD II

Fair comment.

Check this:

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/v2/play.php?id=91291

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spendius wrote:

And they murdered Dr Kelly

of course they did of course they did there there poor spendy.

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spendius wrote:

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It doesn't astonish me. Shouting "Education! Education! Education!" without defining education told you everything you need to know about that load of greedy, lying, nest-feathering scumbags, and their wiggle-tongued supporters, and the sooner every piece of legislation they brought in is torn up and burned the better.

And they murdered Dr Kelly which is far worse than anything Mr Black ever did and they went to war with an ally whose whole policies are based on foundationless assertions and without the slightest idea of how to go about it and against the advice of our two most important European partners.

They were as bent as a bag of wire-wool.

Totally applaud you on that Spendi!

Murdering bastards aren't they son!

PS

Don't throw your dog-ends on the floor, the cockroaches are dying of cancer.

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yes they are mathos all the more reason for you to shut up.

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I say, steady on there, chaps. Steady, the Buffs!

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I'm up for expelling all the Russian "diplomats" and turning their embassy into a unlisted building ripe for redevelopment.

Any Russians who wish to live in our green and pleasant land should get Britified and forget all about that shite they grew up with. Otherwise they should f**k off back to from where they came.

It has nothing to do with skin colour. That's just a red herring.

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Steve wrote-

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spendius wrote:
And they murdered Dr Kelly
of course they did of course they did there there poor spendy.

So why does Alistair Campbell say in his book that when he heard of Dr Kelly's death he felt like he had been hit by an express train, or somesuch, and wanted to find a hole to crawl into, or somesuch.

I'll tell you why.

He knew more about things than you do Steve.

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Steve wrote-

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yes they are mathos all the more reason for you to shut up.

That's ill-mannered and one might even say dictatorial in view of it being the precise modus operandi of Adolf f*****g Hitler the bloke who set us back at least one hundred years and a few other things which one tries to repress from the memory.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

yes they are mathos all the more reason for you to shut up.

Just look at that will ya! A bloody talking cockroach.

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Who is best at insults on this thread? Is it Mathos? Or is it Spendy, or is there an outsider?

I think Mathos has the edge, most days, but Spendy of course has his moments.

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well good afternoon one and all, especially you little creepy crawlies.

Regarding Dr Kelly...I'm quite sure Campbell knows more than he is letting on, but to jump to the conclusion that Kelly was murdered is very silly. Especially on a public forum like this.

Russians. Nice quip about skin colour btw. I've said elsewhere, in fact I started a thread on it, that the Litvenenko affair amounted to a nuclear attack. But Mr Putin is very popular. He has all the oil and gas, we are at the end of the pipe, and I for one intend staying warm this winter. I dont blame the russians for being miffed. We say Lugovoi wont get a fair trial in Moscow, so we want them to change the constitution so he can be extradited. Meanwhile we are not co operating with the Russian authorities, and we say that despite all the publicity and the fact that he has been branded a member of the FSB, he will get a fair trial in London. [What were we doing btw giving shelter and citizenship to Beresovksy, Litvenenko's paymaster...who called for the violent overthrow of the democratically elected Russian government? Why have we given him sanctuary?]

As I said its a very silly thing to go around accusing powerful people of murder. You might end up with a dash of radioactive polonium in your cuppa courtesy of renegade agents of the KGB or AWRE Aldermaston. Who knows?

do svedanya

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Kelly wasn't murdered. He was just hung out to dry.

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Doowop wrote:

Kelly wasn't murdered. He was just hung out to dry.

Kelly was identified as journalist Gilligan's source.
He probably should not have been briefing the media.
He was of the opinion (correct me if I'm wrong) that the information given to the government by the Secret Service did not amount to the "dodgy dossier" certainties.

So how is any of that a reason for him to kill himself? A genuine question, I really don't know.
Was the balance of his mind disturbed by anything else?
Did he perhaps think by being more forthright he could have saved Iraqi lives?

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Steve wrote-

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Regarding Dr Kelly...I'm quite sure Campbell knows more than he is letting on, but to jump to the conclusion that Kelly was murdered is very silly. Especially on a public forum like this.

I used the expression in its widest possible interpretation. I meant that the cynical and selfish actions of certain people caused Mr Kelly to take his own life.

I think Mr Campbell recognised that in what he has said in his book. He self-evidently felt some responsibility for that sad event and there was no accident involved or even incompetence or negligence. It has been admitted that the "duty of care" towards Mr Kelly was inoperative.

I do not doubt for a moment that Mr Kelly killed himself.

I have seen a few relatives of soldiers killed in Irag call Mr Blair a "murderer" on TV and have heard of many other incidents of a like nature.

I think you are getting a bit over excited Steve.

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McTag wrote:

Doowop wrote:
Kelly wasn't murdered. He was just hung out to dry.

Kelly was identified as journalist Gilligan's source.
He probably should not have been briefing the media.
He was of the opinion (correct me if I'm wrong) that the information given to the government by the Secret Service did not amount to the "dodgy dossier" certainties.

So how is any of that a reason for him to kill himself? A genuine question, I really don't know.
Was the balance of his mind disturbed by anything else?
Did he perhaps think by being more forthright he could have saved Iraqi lives?

Kelly was both a member (a senior one) of the UN weapons inspection team and did work for SIS. Thats why he was right on the inside when he told Gillighan the govt in the person of A Campbell required the document to be "sexed up". This is what lit the blue touch paper resulting in the evisceration of the BBC and unfortunately the death of Kelly - by his own hand according to Hutton.

After his grilling at the Commons select committee Kelly quite composed, there was no obvious signs that he was suicidal. But he had betrayed his masters...could even amount to treason...and this was when the country was at war. Perhaps he felt sudden overwhelming depression. On the other hand he met a neighbour in the woods sortly before the act and seemed quite normal.

There are other troubling aspects e.g. who moved the body? and the actual method of death. Several pathologists have stated that the relatively small amount of co praxamol and a cut to one wrist would not be enough.

But one never knows what goes through the mind.

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Mac wrote-

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So how is any of that a reason for him to kill himself? A genuine question, I really don't know.

It has been suggested, quite reasonably, that Mr Kelly was threatened with disciplinary action leading to his being sacked. That would have meant that he would have lost his pension. By doing what he did he protected his wife's future pension rights as a widow of a senior civil servant. Which makes him, in my opinion, the only person to come out of the whole bag of shite with credit. He obviously had a British upper middle-class sense of honour which was singularly absent in the administration of Mr Blurr. Whether that is foolish or not is a matter of opinion but it must be respected.

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George Galloway's statement on the TV news today was good, saying that "these people" (The Commons) who had voted to suspend him had just given a tearful farewell to a person the most of the rest of the world considered to be a war criminal.

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McTag wrote:

George Galloway's statement on the TV news today was good, saying that "these people" (The Commons) who had voted to suspend him had just given a tearful farewell to a person the most of the rest of the world considered to be a war criminal.

Which is why the Kelly/Gillighan/Campbell/BBC matters such a lot. Gillighan said his source said material was deliberately inserted knowing it was almost certainly not true. Blair's defence is that the intelligence turned out to be false, but he believed it true at the time. Campbell went for the BBC like a rottweiler over the word "knowing".

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Well he would wouldn't he. It's the key word.

If they "knew" (almost certainly) it does give a lot of credence to their critics. Scrub the "almost" and I think you might get to treason. And that's still a hanging offence I think.

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I listened to a BBC play on radio 4 on Saturday. An adaptation of the west end show where Blair is on trial, and the audience the jury.

But supposing Blair is guilty of waging an aggressive war, isnt it all just legal niceties?

Everybody realises the wmd threat was spun out of all proportion for public consumption. So Blair misled us...but then he'd already given his word to Bush that Britain would support the US toppling of Saddam in April 2002. (And he lied about that as well because everyone remembers him saying later that war was not inevitable and no decisions had been taken)

But does it really matter? For whatever reason, the US had decided to get rid of Saddam, and we were going to help. (Of dubious legality but was that a bad thing in itself? And what if the Americans had been half competent and actually built up a new democratic free Iraq like they promised...wouldnt Blair and Bush have been hailed as heros?)

Anyhoo I'm tired of the whole thing. Blair's gone Goldsmith has gone (just typed goon Smile

) Campbell's gone and soon Bush will be gone.

Leaving just one nagging question What was the real reason for invading Iraq?

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