THE BRITISH THREAD II

@McTag,

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America, and Britain, now allying themselves with Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

You couldn't make it up.

Didn't the scriptwriters of the last season of Homeland, more or less? Bloody good show.

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@McTag,

I was wondering if you were suggesting that those kids were murdered as many claim the millions of deaths in 2oth century wars were.

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@McTag,

Rupert Murdoch is with you all the way Mac on anti-Catholicism.

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@spendius,

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Rupert Murdoch is with you all the way Mac on anti-Catholicism.

I don't think I'm anti-Catholic any more than any other religion.
And plainly every religion has many adherents who have altruistic motives.

But these children were in the care of the convent, were starved to death, or died of ailments related to malnutrition, and were thrown in a sewer. Apparently.
It's high time this was properly investigated.

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@McTag,

Your use of "thrown" gives you away Mac.

A pal of mine told me that his mother's first child was stillborn and that the body of the boy was placed in a coffin of another dead person for burial and she was not told which. He said that she took him to the cemetery every week.

We have a different attitude to death nowadays. Apparently.

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@spendius,

Thrown or carefully placed, it doesn't really matter. And the ages ranged from still born, no doubt, up to nine or thereabouts.
It's how the unmarried mothers as well as their children were treated which is the important thing. You know of a grieving mother? These ones had their children removed at birth. Probably it was only the babies they could not sell which remained in their care. 800, in one convent only.
I admit, so much conjecture, we don't have all the facts yet.

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@McTag,

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Thrown or carefully placed, it doesn't really matter.

Why use "thrown" then?

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I admit, so much conjecture, we don't have all the facts yet.

We have the fact that you have picked out this particular story from the century of horrors that was the 20th and all the others which went before.

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@spendius,

In January 1920, there were 2,783 unmarried mothers in workhouses in England and Wales. These workhouses were mostly part of psychiatric hospitals (unmarried, pregnant women could be deemed ‘defective’ under the Mental Deficiency Act, 1913).
And actually, in England some residential homes for "lone mothers" continued to offer semi-penal conditions into the post war period .... (Source: Pat Thane, Tanya Evans: Sinners? Scroungers? Saints? Unmarried Motherhood in Twentieth-Century England, Oxford, 2012.)

I imagine, the situation in other countries wasn't much different.

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@spendius,

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We have the fact that you have picked out this particular story from the century of horrors that was the 20th and all the others which went before.

Well, I picked it up, but is is an Irish woman who has forced the issue, that the Church has covered this up, and she has lobbied and written about it.. It was the townspeople, not the ruling clergy, who decided that the children's remains needed to be respected, and marked with a small memorial. And the circumstances of their lives and the manner of their deaths need to be acknowledged. Read all about it in the second link I gave you.
Now the Irish politicians seem to be determined to force the Church to face up to this aspect of their past. I think these developments are a good thing.

If you think that makes me anti-catholic, that's up to you, but I don't agree.

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@spendius,

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Why use "thrown" then?

The remains are in a cesspit. Do you think they were lowered in with due reverence? You could be right, although they'd have to wash the velvet-covered ropes afterwards.

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@McTag,

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The remains are in a cesspit.

Still in use? Or drained in 19th century? or later?
And why didn't locals care about it? Why didn't (the Irish) society care about unmarried mothers but threw them in such homes? ... ... ...

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@Walter Hinteler,

I imagine that they wished to discourage unmarried mothers for fear of what might happen if they didn't.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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And why didn't locals care about it? Why didn't (the Irish) society care about unmarried mothers

From what I have read, it is difficult for the modern person to understand the hold the local priest had over Irish society (especially in the rural areas) in the '40s, 50s, 60s. The Church was the legal and moral law.
That authority, that unquestioning obedience, seems less today following recent scandals.

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

From what I have read, it is difficult for the modern person to understand the hold the local priest had over Irish society (especially in the rural areas) in the '40s, 50s, 60s. The Church was the legal and moral law.
That authority, that unquestioning obedience, seems less today following recent scandals.

It's always difficult to understand the past if we look at it with today's views and experiences. That's why history tries to see it in the context of time and period.

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Since the Spanish football team failed, they've got the coronation this morning.
I wonder, if there are already similar plans for tomorrow in England ... Wink

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@Walter Hinteler,

Shame Oxlade-Chamberlain can't play. But I've got a feeling England will win, Suarez or no.
Well they bloody better had.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I'll leave that for now* and await with interest the outcome of the Irish government's proceedings in the matter.

*lest Spendy accuses me of anything else.

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@McTag,

Now they seem to be awake ...

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@Walter Hinteler,

Those damned Scousers ... Embarrassed

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