THE BRITISH THREAD II

@McTag,

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Nobody likes the English. Get used to it.

Well I was brought up by my Irish immigrant parents to always mistrust them, but that some were decent people, Their principal failing was a slavish affection (or tolerance) for their aristocracy, but they did well in WWII. [/quote]

McTag wrote:

Mrs Thatcher, your revered leaderene, used the revenues from Scottish oil to demolish British manufacturing. Dependent thereafter on revenues from the financial sector, Gordon Brown and Fred Goodwin, with some help from overseas, contrived to collapse the banking system. The Jock giveth, and the Jock taketh away.

I think that foreign competition, which was rising fast in those years, and the stubborn intransigence of British labor unions had a lot more to do with the loss than the Tory government. Poor design was also a factor in the auto industry. I had an MGB in my 20's that had a remarkably primitive and poorly assembled electrical system. I later learned they were famous for it.

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@spendius,

The Security Council has little to nothing to do with the independence of a country.

And if Scotland would become independent (which should be okay, I think) then they would just have to join the queue of those 188 other states to become for a period a non-permanent member of the Security Council.

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McTag said: Nobody likes the English. Get used to it.
Georgeob1 said: Well I was brought up by my Irish immigrant parents to always mistrust them, but that some were decent people

Hey McTag for somebody who doesn't like the English, you were happy enough to emigrate to their country!
Same with the Irish (and the Welsh), they too have emigrated to dear old England in their hundreds of thousands.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

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..they too have emigrated to dear old England in their hundreds of thousands..

Similar the ten thousands of Saxons, Jutes, Angles and Frisians.

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@georgeob1,

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I had an MGB in my 20's that had a remarkably primitive and poorly assembled electrical system.

But Rolls Royce had excellent systems George. It was making MGBs down to a price which caused your problems rather than British auto technology.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

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to their country!

You haven't got it yet: It's my country, and my people paid for it.

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@McTag,

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You haven't got it yet: It's my country, and my people paid for it.

And it fed you up and showed you how to read without moving your lips and you hand over the considerable investment your people made in you to another country for filthy lucre.

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Walter Hinteler said: Saxons, Jutes, Angles and Frisians.

Yes, they're the sort we want in England!
I was born and bred in Leicester in the English midlands, it was once a Viking town.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Yes, they're the sort we want in England!
I was born and bred in Leicester in the English midlands, it was once a Viking town..

Hmm. The Vikings made a full-scale invasion and had longer on-going battles with the Saxons, Jutes, Angles and Frisians.

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@spendius,

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to another country for filthy lucre.

To continue to be a taxpayer for the benefit of the British exchequer to ensure the UK stays Great.
I told you, England provides a wonderful playground for adventurous Scots.

My aged father-in-law, born in Kent but whose antecedents hailed from Aberdeen, tells me they came down to farm in Norfolk, generations before. Apparently a lot of Scottish farmers did that. The English must have been incompetent or something.

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@McTag,

If you're looking for examples of incompetence, google Darien scheme.

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@McTag,

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Nobody likes the English. Get used to it.

I suppose in saying that I was referring to certain overbearing traits exhibited by some of its citizens. The ones you see in Marbella and in Westminster. Every time a Tory politician makes a pronouncement about the Scottish referendum, Alex Salmond's polling goes up by 10%.
Then there was the idea of making Faslane (atom sub base) a crown colony, following any separation. A vote winner.

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@izzythepush,

If you did that, you will see that tropical disease did for the settlement there.
As, later, european disease brought by conquistadors did for South American civilisations.
Epidemiology was not even in infancy then.

Early English colonies in Virginia failed too, some for unknown reasons. Maybe they upset the inhabitants.

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@McTag,

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To continue to be a taxpayer for the benefit of the British exchequer to ensure the UK stays Great.
I told you, England provides a wonderful playground for adventurous Scots.

So that's why they taught you those side-stepping dance routines!

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@McTag,

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As, later, european disease brought by conquistadors did for South American civilisations.

But those civilisations were already collapsing due to their ridiculous religions.

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@McTag,

The English exchequer wasn't dependent on the success or failure of those Virginia colonies. That's the difference, and that's why England had to bail out the Scottish exchequer when the Act of Union went through.

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@izzythepush,

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If you're looking for examples of incompetence, google Darien scheme.

No doubt this was an ill-judged affair, like the South Sea Bubble which followed it.
But at the outset of the Darien venture, London was against it, and worked to prevent it. The English parliament wanted all overseas trade to come through London. And so they instigated what amounted to a naval blockade on the new colony, forbidding other countries from trading with or helping it. This baby was still-born, or rather strangled at birth.
So you see, George is not the only one who has historical reservations about "perfidious Albion".
The venture, over-subscribed, bankrupted the country (of Scotland) to which you have alluded, and precipitated the unions following 1707, since when we have agreed to let bygones be bygones.

Until now, apparently.

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@McTag,

Until now? you're the one who decided to sink to Romeo's level, calling us all incompetent, and saying everyone hates the English.

Perfidious Albion? Scotland had a history of teaming up with the old enemy France. Why would anyone in England want to give Scotland the chance to do it in the colonies as well?

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