THE BRITISH THREAD II

@spendius,

Nah, we watched the match from the Etihad. Sobering, if that's the best the Premier League has to offer. And there were only two Englishmen in the City team.

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Hey Walter, what is the derivation of Herr Schweinsteiger's surname? That puzzles me.

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@McTag,

Did you see that roomful of narcissists getting it off in the LA court which was brought to us in breathless excitement by our News services?

As if we give two fucks. I gather that the verdict will be appealed.

I'll go tut bottom of our stairs!! What a surprise eh?

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

Sobering, if that's the best the Premier League has to offer.

The best? Manchester city are currently below us, Southampton, lowly Southampton.

I do like to blow our collective trumpet, but we're hardly the best.

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@spendius,

'Fraid not, old bean. What was the case? I might give a **** or two.

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@McTag,

I doubt it.

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Bloody hell, did you see in The Times a report of what President Karzai said yesterday?

It's not in the Guardian report, but he said NATO helicopters were supplying Taleban fighters in remote areas. He said the motive for this was, to keep a need for a NATO presence in the country by promoting instability.

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

Bloody hell, did you see in The Times a report of what President Karzai said yesterday?
It's not in the Guardian report, but he said NATO helicopters were supplying Taleban fighters in remote areas. He said the motive for this was, to keep a need for a NATO presence in the country by promoting instability.

I didn't hear that part, but what I did hear had me thinking about the happy moment when I will one day hear news reports of the Taliban cutting his head off.

Having a force in Afghanistan to kill terrorists is good, but we shouldn't be wasting blood and treasure propping up this guy's corrupt regime.

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@oralloy,

How can an Afghan government function without corruption? It's in their blood. There's no other way. Karzai is not playing at Patience in a nice drawing room.

Corruption is in our blood too. More discreet though. More nuanced. Smooth.

How do you avoid spending blood and treasure on such things when it has been voted for by a democratic process? That you shouldn't lost the vote.

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So...

England need a win against Poland to qualify automatically for the World Cup Finals.
(I would guess...)

Be honest, how many of you cynics have already bet on them to draw? Wink

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article8875127.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/townsend-rt.jpg

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@Kolyo,

In theory Ukraine could lose to San Marino, but that's not going to happen. England will be going for a win against Poland. Poland are out of contention, but could always go down as the side that stopped England going to the World Cup. It depends on how they go for it. If they're up for a game fair enough, but my fear it that they'll aim for a goalless draw by defending deep and trying to kill off the game.

I rarely bet.

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@izzythepush,

What do you think, izzy, about this case of a judicially ordered forced vaccination of two young girls?

Will a doctor perform the operation on healthy girls offering strenuous resistance?

Why should a divorced father have any say in the matter? What are his real motives?

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@spendius,

As someone with an autistic son I take this very seriously. The scare about the MMR vaccine has been shown to be nonsense. The father has just as much rights as the mother, he didn't divorce the kids.

From what I understand it's the mother who is protesting, not the children.

From the WHO.

Quote:

Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available.
In 2011, there were 158 000 measles deaths globally – about 430 deaths every day or 18 deaths every hour.
More than 95% of measles deaths occur in low-income countries with weak health infrastructures.
Measles vaccination resulted in a 71% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2011 worldwide.
In 2011, about 84% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 72% in 2000.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

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@izzythepush,

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The scare about the MMR vaccine has been shown to be nonsense.

Well--Blurr, when asked if his kids had been vaccinated, refused to answer. Most people took that to mean that they hadn't. And an Italian court has said that it is not nonsense.

About 5,000 kids are killed or seriously injured in road accidents in the U.K. every year.

As far as I understand the case the girls have not been vaccinated yet despite the lady judge setting a midnight deadline last Thursday.

An expert on Newsnight who was in favour of the forced vaccination of the two girls said that immune systems were an important factor. Which means I suppose that there is an assumption that all kids have weak immune systems and that assumption is not shared by the mother. I presume that low income countries have weak immune systems as a matter of course.

There is an obvious danger that if the forced vaccinations take place the girls might start "acting up". Are you in favour of dragging them kicking and screaming into the clinic and holding them down if they resist?

I don't think a father who has left the home should have any say in the matter. His contribution to the existence of the girls is desultory, to say the least, compared to the mother's.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

About 5,000 kids are killed or seriously injured in road accidents in the U.K. every year.

So people shouldn't act against preventable deaths?

A lot more people would die on the roads if there weren't things like speed limits, pedestrian crossings etc. It's the same with infectious diseases.

I don't think you or I are in any position to talk about the father's contribution to the girls' upbringing.

Maybe if the girls were actually informed a bit better they might not dragged kicking and screaming to the clinic.

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@izzythepush,

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A lot more people would die on the roads if there weren't things like speed limits, pedestrian crossings etc.

That notion is posited on the idea that road traffic would be as it is now if those things, which are restrictions of freedom, did not exist. I'm inclined to think road traffic would not be as it is now in that case and the argument might be made that the deaths and injuries are due to those safety measures lulling people into a false sense of security and to take chances they wouldn't be taking were it otherwise.

The lady judge's argument implies that children should not be allowed in cars because they are not old enough to assess the risks they are being subjected to.

What are the comparable risks in doses of the illnesses the jab is said to prevent in this country. The illnesses in poor countries might well be simply the straw that broke the camel's back in weak constitutions in conditions of poor medical care.

There is also an evolutionary argument but I won't go into that as I have found that so called evolutionists have not the patience to give it a hearing.

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@izzythepush,

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Maybe if the girls were actually informed a bit better they might not dragged kicking and screaming to the clinic.

The girls are the girls. Possibly, even probably, healthy girls who can throw off infections quite easily as they can doses of flu which are dangerous to the frail.

Can we have forced vaccination on the assumption we are all frail?

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

Hey Walter, what is the derivation of Herr Schweinsteiger's surname? That puzzles me.

Missed that. Sorry.

A person, who kept pigs (either in a hut or aside a mountain lane) ... the name is known in Bavaria and Austria since the 15th century as family name. (In 1495, a certain Kaspar Schweinsteiger was running the farm business of a nobleman and owned a mansion himself.)

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When looking at today's British papers (on Saturday, I'll of course celebrate your nation's culture, too, and read only English papers due to the Festival of Englishness! Honour bright!) ... so, when looking today through the papers, two things really made my wonder:
- the RAC respond to nearly 40,000 call outs a year for misfuelling petrol in diesel cars [don't know how often the AA is called),
- and all these excitement about energy prices.

Diesel/petrol: that certainly can happen. But only with rather cars, since the petrol plug doesn't fit in diesel powered car.

Energy: Britain has one of the lowest prices for electricity and gas in Europe.

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