THE BRITISH THREAD II

@izzythepush,

Three dead in a bombing in Russia would possibly not have made the news.

So there is something a bit odd about the swamping of our media.

Somebody said that there are over a thousand web sites radicalising extremism and that they can't be shut down because of the first amendment.

One lady showed us all how pressure cooker bombs can be made from stuff in the corner shop.

It's almost as if Media has found a way of creating dramatic stories for it to cover.

The Texas fertiliser factory disaster is a system failure.

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@oralloy,

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You guys need to set up something like the NRA over there in the UK.

Undertakers might vote for it.

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@McTag,

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If you want to complain about a do-nothing presidency, you've got republicans in the Senate to thank for that.

Who put them there?

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@McTag,

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oralloy wrote:
we'll have had four years of an ineffective do-nothing presidency,

Unless an American administration has control of both houses, it can achieve next to nothing. If you want to complain about a do-nothing presidency, you've got republicans in the Senate to thank for that.

Just after a president is elected, he has a bit of political capital that he can use to pressure the other side to do as he desires.

Had Obama used his political capital wisely, he could have pushed something through, environmental legislation limiting carbon pollution for example.

He was very foolish to waste all of his political capital on a futile assault against the might of the NRA.

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@oralloy,

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Had Obama used his political capital wisely, he could have pushed something through, environmental legislation limiting carbon pollution for example.

You are having us on oralloy aren't you? We have to assume that you mean "meaningful" environmental legislation. If you don't you don't mean anything. Painting the dumpsters green doesn't mean anything.

Now--as for meaningful environmental legislation you can forget it. Have you seen the chimneys smoking in Mongolia in the area where the rich copper and gold lodes have been found. And being worked by people who are glad to have some rice and a tent.

We will hide our eyes from the Chinese fossil fuel conversion. It's considered impolite to mention such things.

A roomful of economists hearing the expression "meaningful environmental legislation" would roll around on the floor, tittering and giggling and with tears gushing out of their eyes.

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@spendius,

There's only one interesting economic principle elucidated in the last I don't know how long. "We're going all the way 'till the wheels fall off and burn".

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@spendius,

I remember watching a Queen's Speech at the State Opening of Parliament and when the phrase "environment legislation" was used I rolled around on the floor, tittering and giggling and with tears gushing out of my eyes.

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@spendius,

The civilized world's means of accomplishing environmental sustainability was to outsource all the smokestack industries to China , Indonesia and Mexico.
Whatever nation was involved in the first Industrial Revolution, has since, proffered ALL of its industrial know how to emerging nations so that we can show-off our vast strides made in cleaning the air and water. Im so proud . EXPORT YER SMOKE TO CHINA, they dont give a **** about their people

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@spendius,

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We have to assume that you mean "meaningful" environmental legislation.

Well, there is probably room for disagreement over what is "meaningful". But yes, I did mean that.

It wouldn't have to be an environmental issue though. Obama had the political capital to achieve "something". What it was, was up to him.

He chose to waste it all in a futile assault against a superior power. Now he'll achieve little with his second term, and then he'll be replaced by a Republican.

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@oralloy,

He was only elected to look good surely. Mitt looked like a double-glazing salesman. Obarmy did heart-search integrity good enough for the job.

Look how good he looked directing operations to kill OBL. He even took his tie off and rolled his shirtsleeves up.

He visited England long before he was famous to attend a wedding and when they brought the stripper on at the stag do he "made an excuse and left".

He must have had ambition enough to know that even one skeleton in a cupboard is a sufficient meal for the terriers in our free media to gorge on.

Which means that we choose our leaders now from that small number of men who put being squeaky-clean above their natural inclinations. Look what happened to the stylish black guy the Republicans rejected because he had pushed a pushy lady's head near to his groin.

And that is a very tiny skeleton really. It was to the media terriers what the five loaves and fishes were to the crowd Jesus fed.

It wiped the flat tax out in short order.

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@oralloy,

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You guys need to set up something like the NRA over there in the UK.

I'm not a political animal - all I know is that we don't want guns over here. And we most certainly don't want an organisation like the NRA who, from an outsider's point of view, appear to have the Republicans in their pocket.

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@vonny,

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an organisation like the NRA who, from an outsider's point of view, appear to have the Republicans in their pocket.

That isn't quite it. What the NRA has are legions of committed zealots in rural districts who will vote for or against anyone on the ballot solely on the NRA's say-so.

That gives the NRA absolute power over any politician who happens to be from a rural district. Any of their careers can be ended on the mere whim of the NRA.

(Disclaimer: I'm one of those committed zealots. Mr. Green

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@oralloy,

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What the NRA has is legions of committed zealots in rural districts who will vote for or against anyone on the ballot solely on the NRA's say-so.

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(Disclaimer: I'm one of those committed zealots.)

How is this any different than saying you are a sheep and not able to think for yourself? Have you ever seen where you and the NRA voted differently?

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@reasoning logic,

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What the NRA has is legions of committed zealots in rural districts who will vote for or against anyone on the ballot solely on the NRA's say-so.

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(Disclaimer: I'm one of those committed zealots.)

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How is this any different than saying you are a sheep and not able to think for yourself? Have you ever seen where you and the NRA voted differently?

Thanks Reasoning Logic - you've said it far better than I could have done!

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@vonny,

I should imagine vonny that most members of the Senate and the House are gun owners and have no intention of giving them up given the present state of things. And some of them might not fancy any strict background checks either. And they are not much good if they are not strict.

Politics is, as everybody knows, the art of the possible. And gun control is not possible. And if Obarmy wants to make a fool of himself to sound good at a scene of tragedy it is something we have to get used to because that's his style.

His drone style is another matter. There are tragic scenes where drones land as well.

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@spendius,

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I should imagine vonny that most members of the Senate and the House are gun owners and have no intention of giving them up

Well, Spendius, someone ought to pass a law to make those members give them up! Surely they ought to lead by example!

In the Sunday Times today there was an article which stated that on an average day in America, 85 people are killed by a bullet. Last December, a man gunned down 20 six-year-olds at Sandy Hook elementary school in a quiet suburban town. On current trends, gun deaths will exceed those from car crashes by 2015.

Somebody has to stop all the violence caused by widespread gun ownership - at least Obama is trying!

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@spendius,

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If you want to complain about a do-nothing presidency, you've got republicans in the Senate to thank for that.

Who put them there?

Another gentle reminder: Republicans are a minority in the Senate. This actually has significance.

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@vonny,

vonny wrote:

spendius wrote:
I should imagine vonny that most members of the Senate and the House are gun owners and have no intention of giving them up

Well, Spendius, someone ought to pass a law to make those members give them up! Surely they ought to lead by example!

We will destroy the career of any politician who tries to make people give up their guns, at least if that politician is in a rural district where we have the power to end their careers.

vonny wrote:

In the Sunday Times today there was an article which stated that on an average day in America, 85 people are killed by a bullet. Last December, a man gunned down 20 six-year-olds at Sandy Hook elementary school in a quiet suburban town. On current trends, gun deaths will exceed those from car crashes by 2015.

That people are killed with a gun verses some other means does not seem to be terribly significant.

They are just as dead no matter what was used to kill them.

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Somebody has to stop all the violence caused by widespread gun ownership - at least Obama is trying!

Widespread gun ownership does not cause violence.

And we've just shattered Obama's second term. All that political capital that he might have used to achieve something, has been wasted on a futile assault against our superior strength. And after four years of an ineffective do-nothing presidency, look for a Republican to be elected president in 2016.

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@oralloy,

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We will destroy the career of any politician who tries to make people give up their guns,

We don't give a **** what you'll do. What we won't do, here in the UK, is pay any attention to a loathsome hillbilly fuckwit who has no comprehension of how we feel about guns.

Our children are safe, and that's what really matters.

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@oralloy,

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They are just as dead no matter what was used to kill them.

So telling the parents of the murdered six-year-olds that Congress has no intention of doing anything to prevent such a thing happening again is okay? Please, oralloy, have some compassion. If you are representative of gun owners in America, then God help America.

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