THE BRITISH THREAD II

I know a Boadicea when I see one ! She challenged me !

Perhaps you saw the McTags photo in front of the Hog's Breath Inn in Carmel taken during their travels with Tac. In its earlier days this wasn't the pretty & picturesque bar it is today, and while living there I was a regular habitue of the place and another then nearby tavern, The Red Lion. Through a series of (truly) accidental encounters, I became the arm wrestling champion of the places for about a year. It finally ended when a really skinny, little guy beat me decisively (I never figured out how he did it). The mere telling of this moderately amusing story prompted the challenge.

I've been going to the gym three or four times a week for the last few months and am slowly getting fitter and stronger. Weight right down too. Can't say I enjoy the workouts but the benefits are worth it.

Where the hell was Francis?

He could have come on earlier and told us the mob was massing and we could have all bet the gold price up and made a killing.

They don't lie down and take all this **** in France like we do with our journalists easing us down while they clear their portfolios and leave us holding the baby.

A vicious, aggressive termagant of a woman who will challenge any man in the room to a bare-knuckle fight.

I'm afraid to say that I find arm wrestling ridiculous. I once saw two NCOs competing at holding their hand over a candle flame. They were both charged with self-inflicted injury and busted to the ranks.

Were I challenged to arm wrestle I would allow my arm to be pushed down on the grounds that it would be impolite to deny someone who has the need to acheive that so much. I would assume he had insecurities concerning his masculinity and see my role as helping him to overcome them. I would do my utmost to avoid any missions behind enemy lines with such a person.

My inclination would generally be to inform ladies to avoid them as well as ladies are not well served in orderly and civilised pleasure oriented societies by chaps who stand on their dignity to such an extent as to seek opportunities to display it. It seems atavistic all the way back to stags and kangaroos.

As for ladies engaging in the activity--what can I say? I am non-plussed.

well you would you cantankerous old git. Its just armless fun.

Even allowing for the evident irony here, you are taking it a bit too seriously.

Just who did accompany you on your "missions behind enemy lines"?

I have seen a fair bit of arm wrestling in my time George and they do it as if their life depended on it.

On the other--not anybody looking for opportunities to be heroic and that's for sure. Still- they have drones now which are the polar opposite of heroic. Bushwhacking actually.

Why do you never give me a hand in defending our faith? The anti-IDers will win if nobody takes them on. At schools near you.

Arguing about something as observable as the evolution of species is fruitless. More importantly it doesn't seriously address the question of our existence at all. As you may recall, I have tried to turn the conversation to the origins of physics, but without success - they won't take the bait, perhaps because they know there is a hook there. After a few attempts I lost interest in what they may think about it.

You have made your point about the human spirit and the limitations of pure reason, but also without discernable effect. Why bother any more?

When I told you the same, you replied that it was poor intellectual curiosity and a shame..

The argument is not about the evolution of species. It is about the teaching of it's severe and corrupting dogmas to impressionable kids the vast majority of whom will go on to roles in society for which such a theory can only have negative consequences. The very small number of them for which the theory is of some use can easily pick up on it in higher education on account of its simplicity and when they are mature enough to appreciate and accept its limited use in a society of 300,000,000 people.

It will also require atheists to teach it and unless the rest of the teaching staff are also atheists it will cause dissension in the staff rooms and bureaucratic systems controlling schools as, indeed, it already is doing. In short, and not to beat about the bush, it is a wedge for an atheist, animalistic agenda.

Saying that to oppose it is fruitless constitutes handing the schools over to rabid left-wing militants without a fight.

That it does not address in any way the question of our existence is hardly the point when its proponents are hypocritically and superficially maintaining that it does.

It is also not a question of how its proponents react to your strictures on physics. If you are driven away from the fight for our faith by such tactics it bodes ill for your perseverence and hands them an easy victory.

And how do you know that I have had no discernable effect. Who knows who is reading those threads. Or who might in the future. It is there for anybody to read including those who might be engaged in the matter professionally. I know that the thread has been quoted on other sites. When it arrives in the USSC we don't want another Dover do we?

Many others besides the Claque have entered the thread for short periods. How do you know why they didn't stay. It could be that I gave some of them pause for thought.

The Claque does not only try to discredit Christianity, probably for personal reasons, and probably to do with sexual promiscuity, but it discredits science by claiming to speak for science and doing it in a totally unscientific manner not always apparent to ordinary readers. It also discredits Christian art which it will doctor to its own satisfaction once it has won through which it will if we all lie down beneath its steamroller of ignorant assertions, insults and general all-round anti-education drivel.

Arm wrestling is child's play compared to mind wrestling. I am not in this for personal satisfaction. I'm in it to do my bit to prevent the arrival on the scene of Big Brother which I see as the only possible outcome of an atheist society and to pay my respects to all those who fought, died and suffered for the freedoms I have enjoyed in my lifetime in the hope that the kids will have an opportunity to enjoy them in the future which they won't if these wankers ever come to power.

It has nothing to do with what I believe, which is neither here nor there.

There are no medals George.

That's all very well I'm sure, but what about my lats?

Keep 'em covered up is my advice Mac. They are only likely to elicit unseemly jests otherwise.

You are correct and I do acknowledge my hypocrisy in the matter. I suppose I fall somewhere between you and Spendius in my perseverance on the issue.

Frankly I regard the complacency and lack of curiosity of the main amtagonists on the ID thread as truly impenetrable and offering no entertainment value (to me) at all.

That opens the door for what is known as "Entryism". A major trade union in the UK in a crucial area, electricity production and distribution, was taken over by communists using the simple expedient of making the meetings at which votes were taken as unentertaining as possible. It is a common practice in local politics. It ensures power to extremists.

The atheists are relying on us losing heart.

Well, you and Francis induced enough shame to induce me to open and read the most recent few pages in the ID thread. Lightwizard's triumphant (but remarkably uncomprehending) listing of quotations from Voltaire was more than enough to convince me that there is little to be gained from the effort.

Don't you think that those characteristics are important enough to be exposed as rendering those who have them unsuitable for being allowed an input into the educational process?

If they are not exposed then complacency, lack of curiosity, impenetrability and boredom are on their way into every school in America. And all of them are as unscientific as it's possible to get and these people claim to speak in the name of science.

From that it can easily be surmised that it is not a scientific education for 50 million kids that they seek but something else. A removal of religious discipline from society in the sexual and financial fields and the creation of a dependence on those scientific considerations they approve of along with the promotion of their careers and those who toe their line.

Snow!

Ever had sex in the snow Queenie? It's really tingly.