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Perhaps he should do a little more research into what the views he opposes actually are, instead of trying to make himself out to be a prophet.

Only folks accustomed to listening to prophetic speech would view this as such. He's simply tracing out the logical progress of the ID argument, which ultimately rests on the same unfalsifiable premise as young-earth creationism. Which is why it isn't science. That's it. No great hoogy-boogy predictions, just a description of a logical sequence.

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Why would anyone give their email address to the poster of this thread?

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patiodog wrote:

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Perhaps he should do a little more research into what the views he opposes actually are, instead of trying to make himself out to be a prophet.

Only folks accustomed to listening to prophetic speech would view this as such. He's simply tracing out the logical progress of the ID argument, which ultimately rests on the same unfalsifiable premise as young-earth creationism. Which is why it isn't science. That's it. No great hoogy-boogy predictions, just a description of a logical sequence.

Prof Sober's prediction about what IDers 'will then postulate' refers to this in the future tense. It's rather comical.

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Miller wrote:

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Such as the conjecture that a big bearded guy in a bathrobe summoned everything into existence six or seven millennia ago.

Or the conjecture, that Jesus arose from the dead and ascended into Heaven, without the help of NASA.

There is many non biblical eye witness sources citing the existence of a man named Jesus during the time that he was to be there.

Therefor it's not just conjecture that Jesus existed, it is a fact.

Now I am not saying Jesus is God here though, or that the bible is right.

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ossobuco wrote:

Why would anyone give their email address to the poster of this thread?

If I could PM I would give it to you.
And if you don't give it out,
I will say to the Admins they may give it to you.

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Scott,
You still haven't shown how the cosmos has stopped changing as I requested on the first page of this thread.

In other words, you get to declare answers are not accurate but you don't have to show how they are not accurate. A rather dodgy way to run a discussion. You are right and if anyone else has a better answer, you are still right. Rolling Eyes

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Name 7 people that personally saw Jesus and wrote about it outside the bible.

Name 12 people that have personally talked to God and have hard evidence to back it up. Provide us with their names and addresses.

Until you can answer my 2 questions there is no God. Laughing

Ain't lack of logic grand? I have just proved their is no God. :wink:

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The sad thing is that many will read parados' post and say 'yeah that is logical'.

Parados,

Name 7 people that personally saw your grandmother and wrote about it in any large metropolitan daily newspaper or talked about her on TV.

Name 12 people that have personally talked to your great great great grandfather or his predecessor(s) and have hard evidence to back it up. Provide us with their names and addresses.

Has anyone written a book about you?

Apparently by your 'logic', perhaps neither you nor your ancestors ever existed. Laughing

Ain't it great?

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My great great grandfather is dead so I doubt anyone alive would have talked to him. Are you saying you think God is dead? It appears you are.

My statements can at least happen in our present physical world. I didn't set any unrealistic expectations. We know Aristotle lived because of contemporaneous writings as well as his own.

By the way, I can find over a dozen of instances of my grandmother being mentioned in a newspaper including a frontpage feature on her husband in which she is mentioned. She just didn't happen to live in a large metropolitan area.

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parados wrote:

My great great grandfather is dead so I doubt anyone alive would have talked to him.

Same goes with those who saw Jesus.
Remember I am not claiming the bible is right.

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Exactly, Scott.

Parados wants 'hard' evidence (whatever that means) but most events of history would be unprovable by this standard.

We have eyewitness accounts of Christ in the Bible, but somehow that's unacceptable because 'they're in the Bible'.

Let's remind ourselves that when these accounts were written they were not 'in the Bible'.

The fact that we publish them in one volume now has no bearing on the validity or lack thereof.

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real life wrote:

history would be unprovable by this standard.

History!
Ha there was no history before i was born.
Just couldn't be.
I didn't see it.
I didn't experience.
I can't be reproduced in a lab.
History is completely unscientific.
Therefor it don't exist.

And furthermore based on these facts.
What we think we have done we haven't
For there is no past.
No today
No tomorrow.

Prove history to me.
By using these proofs that so many of you want Christians to use.
Show me history.
Let me experience it.
Reproduce history in a lab.
If you can't you can't prove history.

Now sense no one can prove history.
Or anything at all.

What is the point of living?

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Scott777ab wrote:

parados wrote:
My great great grandfather is dead so I doubt anyone alive would have talked to him.

Same goes with those who saw Jesus.
Remember I am not claiming the bible is right.

Right. I am sure Scott777ab has no interest in the Bible.

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real life wrote:

Exactly, Scott.

Parados wants 'hard' evidence (whatever that means) but most events of history would be unprovable by this standard.

We have eyewitness accounts of Christ in the Bible, but somehow that's unacceptable because 'they're in the Bible'.

Let's remind ourselves that when these accounts were written they were not 'in the Bible'.

The fact that we publish them in one volume now has no bearing on the validity or lack thereof.

There's a big difference between accepting the existence of Jesus. Existence and divinity are very different things. A while back, Miller (I think) made a crack about the resurrection and ascension of Jesus, and somehow that was taken to mean, "Jesus never existed."

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Scott777ab wrote:

parados wrote:
My great great grandfather is dead so I doubt anyone alive would have talked to him.

Same goes with those who saw Jesus.
Remember I am not claiming the bible is right.

My question was really no different from your original questions.

You demanded we list every evolutionary step but now say it is ridiculous to ask for 7 witnesses to Jesus because it was so long ago. Can't you at least be consistent?

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real life wrote:

Exactly, Scott.

Parados wants 'hard' evidence (whatever that means) but most events of history would be unprovable by this standard.
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You mean questions like

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9. Explain how symbiotic life forms survived before their counterpart hooked up with them.
A. Give several examples in the plant and animal worlds.

Most events in history are unprovable, I agree. But I am not the one that started this silly thread.

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Scott777ab wrote:

Now sense no one can prove history.
Or anything at all.

What is the point of living?

That statement lacks common "since." :wink:

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parados wrote:

Scott777ab wrote:

Now sense no one can prove history.
Or anything at all.

What is the point of living?

That statement lacks common "since." :wink:

NO, your statement makes no sense.

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parados wrote:

real life wrote:
Exactly, Scott.

Parados wants 'hard' evidence (whatever that means) but most events of history would be unprovable by this standard.
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You mean questions like

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9. Explain how symbiotic life forms survived before their counterpart hooked up with them.
A. Give several examples in the plant and animal worlds.
Most events in history are unprovable, I agree. But I am not the one that started this silly thread.

For any one who is seriously going to consider Evolution. Questions like this MUST be answered.

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parados wrote:

Scott777ab wrote:
parados wrote:
My great great grandfather is dead so I doubt anyone alive would have talked to him.

Same goes with those who saw Jesus.
Remember I am not claiming the bible is right.

My question was really no different from your original questions.

You demanded we list every evolutionary step but now say it is ridiculous to ask for 7 witnesses to Jesus because it was so long ago. Can't you at least be consistent?

Me consistent? Me? Yeah Right.

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