Atheists, smarter than religious people

Oo ..wth have I been writing!? ...eeeeh I have no explenation!

Hi every1. Can someone please enlighten me to what you people are talking about right now?!?!

People are all over the forum! Here is a thread that is interesting to me I hope that you find it interesting to you. http://able2know.org/topic/138789-1

Its a good distraction to feel threatened for what we stand for but its ilogical to give an arguement to something you think is wrong in the first place. In the end we all should be in favour of something as similar as putting our faith in our own hands.

Since when does "Faith" require no thought or reason? Christian faith is grounded in Reason and Logic. It does not take a genius to conclude that a SUPERIOR force to nature was responsible for the birth of the Universe, and the Physical Time line that follows that birth, as Physical Science proves that the Universe is certainly not eternal as it has a demonstrable birth as evidenced by the signature of micro waves and Logic concludes that anything that has a birth and is continually using and dissipating energy that cannot be CREATED from nothing the Universe therefore will one day have an ending.

Even Mr. Einstein was quoted as concluding, "Scientists live by their FAITH in Causation, and the chain of cause and effect." Now to conclude that ALL FAITH is "BLIND" is indeed an absurd conclusion. What about the FAITH that is required by 12 jurors to convict someone, perhaps sentencing that person to death based upon nothing but "prima facie" evidence beyond the reason of doubt? These jurors did not witness anything...they simply have FAITH that the testimony they are hearing is based upon TRUTH beyond their reason to doubt otherwise. Yet, you conclude that FAITH based upon the Word of God, the very source of all CHRISTIAN faith is BLIND? There are 39 books of the Old Testament and 27 Books of the New Testament which are both OBJECTIVE and TESTABLE by anyone that might read them....the TEXT and CONTEXT are the same for ALL PEOPLES. Thus....Christian Faith certainly is not blind, as it is constructed upon "hearing" and this Hearing comes by the WORD OF GOD...i.e., the Holy Scriptures (Romans 10:16).

Thus, My Faith is certainly not blind nor does it lack reason and or logic, as no one has introduced any physical Objective evidence based upon the Laws of Physical Science or History Actual that would give me reason to doubt the Word upon which my faith is based. Some speculative Theory is not a fact of Physical Science or it would be a Physical Law. The only way for a fact of Science to be concluded is through Observed, Reproducible, Experimentation. No theory meets the prerequisites required to be considered a FACT of Physical Science. Thus, the Quote from Einstein that concludes correctly that all study of Cosmology is based upon the Faith of the most basic Law of Physics, the Law of Causality which has never been subject to falsification.

Who's opinion would I personally prefer in matters related to Science and Faith? Your's or Einstein's? Need I answer?

Alas, Mr Einstein's view of "science" has been somewhat eclipsed by the subsequent success of the strange "logic" of quantum mechanics. "Causality" has become to modern physics what "bleeding" is to modern medicine.

It is the general lack of understanding of these complex (meta-logical) issues on the part of many "believers" which gives substance to the OP issue regarding intelligence.

BTW allow me to suggest a couple of catch-all rejoinders for you believers.

1. Meta-logical science --> "God moves in mysterious ways".
2. Scientists on the verge of creating/interfering with life--->God made man in his own image.

Any use ?

That's no answer to Ralph fresco.

I don't think your comparison with "bleeding" is a valid one. A case can be made out for bleeding on the grounds that the cholesterol might be reduced if a quantity of bad blood is replaced by new blood made on a better diet. Some people are today turning back to bleeding. It is sure that newly made blood is pristine. After we give a pint we are said to replace it within a day or two. So each loss of a pint reduces any poison by about 12%.

I think that just saying that Einstein's view has been replaced by quantum mechanics with explaining why is somewhat unscientific.

And referring to a "general lack of understanding" with no attempt being made to redress it is a bit silly as well. And to charge only believers with having it is highly specious to say the least. Are you saying that non-believers have a complete understanding of these complex (meta-logical) issues?

What do we do about that great mass of people who will never have an understanding of those issues. Are you asking them to have faith in you and your understanding of them and thus come to realise at your bidding and their faith in you based on you using big, baffling, brilliantine words, which you can't explain, that pre-marital chastity, faithfulness in lifetime marriage, natural connections between husband and wife, and the sanctity of life from conception can all safely be set aside and even scoffed at.

Perhaps your objection is to there being any such thing as the masses. You, and the atheists on other threads, certainly do talk as if the masses are a sub-species of mankind.

Faith is about authority when human authority is untrustworthy. The tenets of the faith in regard to social organisation remain untouched by attacks on the veracity of the authority. You seek to replace God (the wisdom of thousands of years personified in a poetic conception) with David Cameron and Nick Cleggover who have compromised in an unseemly coalition in order to get at the trappings of power for a year or two and who look like well-to-do motor-car dealers even when greeting and saying goodbye to the Pope most respectfully.

And "somewhat" and "strange" and "many" are rather odd words to find in a scientist's carefully worded soundbite.

Ralph's post has not had a feather laid on it.

fresco wrote:

Does god have a penis? Who's his sex partner, or does he just masterbate?

It may depend on the mood that your partner is in! This is only my opinion and I am sure that I can be wrong.

Are you sure that man did not make god in his image?

This may be from a revised version of the bible:

This is exactly making God in man's image.
If you want to see the image we are made in you can't work backwards like that.
The only thing we see of God is his work, "You shall know me by my work"
Therefore it can be said that God is an creative intelligence.
Is man in that image? Is man a creative intelligence?

.....but also a destructive, wasteful, callous manufacturer who would be prosecuted if he were human.

Can't deny man to be in that image either

I never thought I would see you stoop to that fresco.

How do you know this anyway? Have you unravelled the "mysterious ways" to suit your own purpose?

Hey, man was made in god's image. What more can we expect?

Did you take that from Ludwig Feuerbach's quote?

I never heard of him tell you told me about him, I am new to philosophy Only been studying for less than a year

Actually, if you really look at the world, nothing is ever wasted, except by humans. Old plastic isn't much use to anything else ( that I'm aware of ).