Atheists, smarter than religious people

spendi, I never claimed to be smart; I just want people to challenge what I say about the topic, and not use ad hominems to make their points.

You can call on all the grandmothers of the world if you wish; no interest for me to even consider such idiot ideas.

If your vision is blurred from my posts, I suggest you go see your eye doctor and psychiatrist. Your "vision" is very bad in all respects.

spendisu, I don't really think you have shown much intellect in your overly emotional outburst of some weird posts of yours, I'll just save the both of us a headache and put you on ignore, not that I belive you'll regret that in any way.

It's the largest claim to being smart that I know of to be rubbishing the founding religion of our culture with a few facile remarks.

My vision is not blurred from your posts at all. My sympathy is aroused for those who have to put up with you at close quarters.

Pastor Dickhead would be taken away for his own safety here. Instead, from a car-park, he's threatening to set the world on fire, humiliating your government and controlling New York planning departments. And his notion is quite the opposite of orginal. We are now told that most of his miniscule "flock" are members of his family. And what it is he is exploiting to preen his ego? He's a constitutional expert with guts. He's not short of guts.

spendi, Rather than generalities, please point out what I said is a lie or unfounded? It's that simple; that's if you understand logic at all.

Defeatism. Doing a runner. Using daft assertions (excuse the tautology) as a cloak. There's very little intellect on view in the above quote. Come to think of it it's a ZIZ. That's a Zero Intellect Zone.

It's as if a little kid says that his first reading book is rubbish* because he can't understand it and he's going home to get a jam tart off his Mom.

*Rubbish is 5 yr-old speak for "not much intellect".

You belong in the 4 years old group. You rarely, if ever, provide information of any value; just retorts of a 4 year old.

Sure thing ci. Piece of piss.

You said that the Bible must be used to prove the existence of Jesus. I told you of two references in Roman historians to Jesus that I've read. I have two biographies of Jesus and there are many more. You used the word "must" and you were wrong. You sought to pull the wool over our eyes in order to claim that Jesus is a tautological figure invented by an oppressive ruling class to keep us all awe and subjection. I know your position even if you don't. The Socialist Nirvana brigade have polluted all over your thoughts. That's what interests me about all this. Where it started. When did those siren voices start getting your sympathetic ear. It's a chain-reaction cascade once underway. It soon gets to a point of either sticking to it more and more emphatically, putting it on Ignore, as it is in my pub, or a humble repentance at the altar rails. Most A2Kers have this stuff on Ignore. A few pointedly.

The Church is pretty easy to discredit I must admit. Have you read Balzac on monks and nuns? But when the style of the denigration falls so woefully short of that of the Marquis de Sade's splendid efforts, maybe the one spark that lit the blue touchpaper in 1789 as some claim, I cannot help but think that it can shrug off the puny efforts of the likes of Dawkins.

Jesus is an important figure in Islam too. As befits a saviour. He threw a lifebelt for us. If 2000 years later we are still thrashing around trying to get hold of it is that the fault of the saviour?

Your belittling of Him belittles you.

And you said, a second lie, that the Pope washing the beggar's feet is a sham. And it isn't for the reasons I gave. It's a ceremony. Even if the rumours that the beggars are all actors and have been de-loused and sanitised in a Vatican cubicle built especially for the job, it doesn't mean that the ceremony is a sham. An employer treating a servant badly might well, on seeing the ceremony or hearing about it, have a twinge of conscience. Maybe hundreds of thousands of such people. Never a mention in Media because there's no "hook" like the one Pastor Dickhead read about in an old comic book. It's not dramatic. It's more like osmosis through an almost impermeable membrane. No Story. No big headlines. Would that be a sham? Just because you don't understand the effects of it and which are intended. It's a beautiful ceremony with a beautiful purpose and I have no doubt that it causes some effects on those who wonder about it even if it doesn't on those who dismiss it with a sneer.

You were wrong in both instances.

Popular belief doesn't make anything true. There must be unquestionable evidence to prove something that is claimed. There can be no contradiction about its source.

Please provide your evidence; not just what you say exists.

Are you absolute about that, and that it is not the qur'an? If so would you please show me the numbers of all the different bibles sold in the world last year or any year in the last 5 years or so. Thanks

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You provide evidence that the Bible "must" be used to prove Jesus existed. I pointed to two mentions in contemporary Roman records that I have seen. I named one and I can't remember the other. I pointed to there being biographies of Jesus and some written with no Christian bias. I pointed to His position in Islam. I daresay Islam couldn't afford Him to be a God. Prophets can be wrong. I pointed to other ancient books which were not incorporated into the Bible for various reasons but which centre around his existence. Do you want me to read all that stuff again to find the references.

Where's your evidence Jesus didn't exist. Which is the position of a small minority.

And you're supposed to be a materialist. If the thought of Jesus exists in people's minds and thoughts are material objects, as materialism demands they are, then Jesus exists in those minds. So you're goosed as a materialist as well.

Please provide us with those two Roman records, their proof of authenticity, and their dates.

Spendius if you were to remember any thing about me I would hope that it would be the story that I read about Jesus in the bible.

Jesus is the most influential part of my life. I could never imagine any other person in the world having ethics more correct than what I have read about Jesus.

Now with all of that aside if someone were to kidnap me as a infant and take me to afghanistan or another non christian country and rase me there as their own, do you think that I would have been raised to have the same thoughts as I do?
Would I have had the interest in reading the king james bible?

Do you have as much interest in knowing the qur'an as you do the king james bible or what ever bible you believe in?
It is very hard to accept reality for what it is at times, is it not?
It seems that our facts are at times, "our traditions" or am I wrong? Thanks Reasoning Self Logic

End of story.

Then you either defend Jesus or you don't.

Yes I do understand as I have shared this same story about prophet muhammad to a muslim friend of mine!

Can you guess what his response was to me? It was the same as yours! [ End of story. ] so to speak!


If I could only understand why you both had the same responses then maybe I could be a philosopher.
What do you Think?

You're defending the ethics you mentioned but I can't speak for your Muslim friend.

Spendius I did not tell you the truth and I do apologise as I was only trying to share a different point of view with you!
I do love what I learned from Jesus but the truth is that I know very little about muslims and I have no muslim friend! Not that I dislike muslims, it's just that I have never met one! Please dwell a little on the last 2 posts that I shared with you and I will do the same for you if you ever ask.
Thanks RSL

Then defend those ethics.

I am trying too but you seem to think that I am absolutely wrong and that you are absolutly correct.
I did ask something of you that you have not yet seemed to consider!

I do realise that I am the least among you great thinkers and I can only hope that you could consider my thoughts as possibly being correct every now and then and not only when you want them to be.

I don't know what you're getting at rl. And it's my bedtime.

Sweet dreams