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Mel Gibson's The Passion, sparking concern from the ADL.

 
 
Scrat
 
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Reply Fri 5 Mar, 2004 02:39 pm
Perhaps you wouldn't have to remind people that you can't read minds if you just learned to read and had a reasonable sense of the obvious.

Just a thought...
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 5 Mar, 2004 03:34 pm
Congrats, scrat, that got reported!
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 5 Mar, 2004 04:31 pm
<sigh>
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 5 Mar, 2004 08:20 pm
Just a thought -- it's not obvious that people would not take a young child to see the film. The only thing obvious here is that when you're losing an argument, you resort to insults and weak interviews of your friends.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 6 Mar, 2004 10:35 am
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06.03.2004

"Passion of Christ" Not Suitable for Children

Mel Gibson's controversial film "The Passion of Christ," which arrives in German theaters on March 18, has been deemed "unsuitable viewing" for younger audiences and will receive an "under 16 not permitted" rating. Folker Hönge, chairman of the Voluntary Film Monitoring Committee, justified the age limit, saying the film's excessive violence makes it inappropriate for children and youths. There will also be no exception made for school groups or children accompanied by adults, as is often the case with restricted viewing. Cardinal Karl Lehmann, chairman of the German Bishop's Conference, has been equally critical of the Hollywood production, albeit for theological reasons. Speaking to the mass circulation Bild newspaper, the Catholic church leader said, "Gibson reduces the Bible's message in a problematic manner." Nonetheless, the film is receiving a good deal of promotion in Germany, and the release date has been moved ahead of the initially scheduled Easter opening.
© Deutsche Welle

SOURCE
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 7 Mar, 2004 11:02 am
Mel Gibson has made a film imitative of great art (by his own admission -- "make it look like Carravagio") It's a Reader's Digest version of the Bible wrapped up in the latest movie technology but has really nothing to say about the teachings of Jesus except for a few obligatory flashbacks. Flashbacks are a cinematic trick that doesn't always work and it doesn't work to buffer the ceaseless horror of the film. If it brings on an epiphany for some people or does it qualify as just a good tearjerker? "The Man With No Face" fits this film as well.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 7 Mar, 2004 11:39 am
It's already killed one lady in Chicago. I can't say for sure it was the "violence," but I'd keep my children under 25 from seeing it.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 9 Mar, 2004 10:13 am
<snip> I WAS WRONG. She did have the heart attack during the movie. Know what? I had a headache while watching "The Return of the King". I had my facts wrong, NOT CI. (I apologize for the insulting tone, CI. I was being an ass.) But, my point is unchanged. That the heart attack occurred during the movie does not suggest that the two were causally related. (This was CI's implication, and the point I should have stuck to attacking.)

Only insipid dolts (one of whom apparently was a journalist) would try to claim the two events were related.

Gee, I bet someone got into an automobile accident on the way home from the movie, too. Bet the movie caused that! And someone else probably got laid that night! (Wooo-hooo! Got to see that "The Passion"!) Hey, someone else probably committed a crime after seeing "The Passion", and another guy tripped and fell while leaving the theater. I bet at least one woman weighed herself before going to bed that night and was depressed to see SHE'D GAINED WEIGHT!... Arggghhhh! IT MUST BE BANNED!!!!!!

(Cretins.)
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 9 Mar, 2004 10:35 am
Gee Scrat, which part of this was I too lazy to read? Rolling Eyes
CHICAGO, Illinois (Reuters) -- A woman died of an apparent heart attack Wednesday while watching the climactic crucifixion scene in "The Passion of the Christ" at a morning showing in Wichita, Kansas, a television station reported.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 9 Mar, 2004 10:45 am
Here's a second source Scrat...

Woman Dies of Heart Attack During The Passion
http://content.clearchannel.com/Photos/movies/the_passion_of_the_christ.jpg
Mel Gibson's new movie, The Passion Of The Christ, caused more controversy Wednesday when a woman suffered a fatal heart-attack during the graphic crucifixion scene.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 9 Mar, 2004 11:19 am
OB - Yep, you're right, and I get to be the moron this time. I was the one who was ignorant of the facts. See my edit and apology to CI above. Sad
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 9 Mar, 2004 11:34 am
Seems even Christians a getting in on the act

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3545443.stm


Is there any plan to do a book?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 9 Mar, 2004 01:34 pm
Hatred is equal opportunity
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Littwin: Spray-painted swastikas are signs of the times

March 9, 2004

Our topics today are anti-Semitism and, of course, the movies. And, because I'm not a movie critic, I'll start by giving away the surprise ending.

It wasn't only the BMH-BJ Congregation synagogue that was targeted by what looked like the hate-filled work of neo-Nazis - and their all-too-familiar swastika motif.


There was another place of worship vandalized over the weekend.

You irony fans should be way ahead of me here. Also hit with swastikas was, yes, the Lovingway United Pentecostal Church.

Honest to, well, God.

And if you can make sense of any of this, you've got my number. Because, I'm thinking, this is the last place the neo-Nazis would take their cans of spray paint.

You remember the Lovingway church. Or you remember the Lovingway church sign anyway. It was in all the papers. It's still in some of the papers.

On Ash Wednesday, the day that Mel Gibson's provocative The Passion of the Christ opened, the Rev. Maurice Gordon, who doesn't mind being provocative himself, put up a sign for all who travel South Colorado Boulevard to see: " 'Jews Killed the Lord Jesus' " 1 Thess. 2:14, 15."

Is that anti-Semitic?

Gordon defends the sign by saying the words come directly from the New Testament, which is, if you think about it, provocative in its own way. Not that it answers the question.

"I wanted to start a dialogue," said Gordon, who acknowledges that dialogue doesn't begin to describe the conversation that followed.

The sign's latest appearance came alongside Frank Rich's column in The New York Times Sunday. It's used as a symbol of the

anti-Semitism that some fear Gibson's movie could spawn.

But as needlessly hurtful as the sign was, our story is more complicated than that. It always is.

On Saturday morning, worshippers from the BMH-BJ Congregation found the synagogue spray-painted with Nazi symbols. A Holocaust survivor who came for services that day gave full meaning to what is an old story, told too often, and the attendant pain.

On Sunday, the story turned, and again in a familiar way. Hundreds of people, Jews and non-Jews, came to wipe away the ugly symbols.

But anti-Semitism does not exist on its own. And for some in the congregation, the obvious place to look was Gibson's movie.

I saw The Passion last week and have wanted to write about it since, because, from all I've read and heard, I get the feeling that despite the $200 million-plus grosses, no one has actually seen the movie.

People go in. They settle into their seats. They cry or they cover their eyes - or they do both - and they leave the theater with exactly what they had brought in with them. For some, this is a clearly religious experience, but only - I'm guessing - if you bring your religion to the movie with you.

You've heard all the arguments by now. If you want a look at the movie versus the Biblical text and the movie versus the historical subtext, read Jon Meacham's piece in Newsweek, titled, "Who Killed Jesus?"

As a Jew, I had a special interest in Gibson's answer. But soon, I had other things on my mind than the question whether Gibson tilted the blame toward the Jews. What I saw was an underdeveloped story with its stylized violence. What I saw was a movie by a director who finds rapture in the slo-mo driving of a nail through a man's hand. Jesus is the underdeveloped character in the movie, who is defined almost exclusively by the beating and flaying and the flaying and beating and the beating and flaying he receives.

It's a beating no one could survive, not even Mel Gibson in Braveheart. And when Jesus says, near the end of the movie, in capital letters, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do," I'm thinking, can I forgive Gibson, because he knows exactly what he's doing?

Some worry that after watching this horrific beating, moviegoers will leave the theater looking for someone to blame. I doubt it. I think you'd be too numb to think of anything but the blood you saw.

But Gibson does little to calm anyone's doubts. As Rich points out, Gibson gave this answer in Reader's Digest to the question of whether there was a Holocaust: "Yes, of course. Atrocities happened. War is horrible. The Second World War killed tens of millions of people. Some of them were Jews in concentration camps."

You read that - the Holocaust was just another byproduct of war? - and wonder if Gibson is the best person to tell this story.

And that brings us back to ours.

Rabbi Daniel Cohen of the BMH-BJ Congregation said the attack on his synagogue and whatever problems he has with Gibson's movie are different stories. The vandalism, he said, could be "a lone voice of craziness."

Then he told me about the vandalism at Lovingway church.

I called Gordon, who confirmed that his church was hit. "You can laugh or you can cry," he said. Which may be a theological question unto itself.

Gordon wasn't that upset by the vandalism, and he's still having trouble understanding why people were so upset about his sign. He says he wouldn't do it again, but only because of the uproar. He has since replaced that sign with a new one: "I am deeply sorry for offending the Jewish people, whom I love. Brother Gordon."

And, now that I think about it, maybe that's what the haters with the spray cans saw.

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caprice
 
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Reply Tue 9 Mar, 2004 01:46 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
It's already killed one lady in Chicago. I can't say for sure it was the "violence," but I'd keep my children under 25 from seeing it.


Children under 25 c.i.??? Oh my! Granted, many even over 25 behave like children...but....I think the age restriction on defining kids could be brought down a few years. Wink
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caprice
 
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Reply Tue 9 Mar, 2004 01:49 pm


It was all in the timing. If it hadn't happened during the movie, it would have happened during another time in the woman's life where her stress level was elevated. The movie, per se, didn't kill her.

[Edited to correct spelling error, as anal types are wont to do.]
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 10 Mar, 2004 11:15 am
The "timing" makes is extremely suspect -- just like a thrill ride when a death occurs.

Well, Mel's not having a heart attack over all the money he's making. Question is what he will do with it? Do they still have money changers in the temple?
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caprice
 
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Reply Wed 10 Mar, 2004 11:58 am
Lightwizard wrote:
The "timing" makes is extremely suspect -- just like a thrill ride when a death occurs.


Are trying to say that a stressful event caused the heart attack and it was the stressful event alone that created it?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 10 Mar, 2004 12:26 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
The "timing" makes is extremely suspect -- just like a thrill ride when a death occurs.

Well, Mel's not having a heart attack over all the money he's making. Question is what he will do with it? Do they still have money changers in the temple?

Well...one of the best currency exchanges in Rome is in the Vatican..... Wink
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 10 Mar, 2004 03:29 pm
There are certainly a large number of scary, shocking, and/or horrifying movies, and either they should all be banned (probably unconsititutional), or none of them should.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 10 Mar, 2004 03:40 pm
I don't advise banning the movie. I advise against seeing it. I haven't been so thoroughly disgusted since "The Accused". Go ahead and watch it if you enjoy seeing that kind of ugliness.
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