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Pyramids- man made or otherwise?

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 07:02 pm
You don't consider having the likes of Da Vinci, Shakespeare, Charles Dickens, Einstein, to name a few, making any progress?
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NickFun
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 07:06 pm
That was hundreds of years later Edgar. We entered a long period of decline.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 07:08 pm
Decline, perhaps, but only probably because the times stunted the growth of folks of vision. I don't believe folks in the dark ages were all dumb, just held back.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 07:53 pm
Nick, I've wondered about the same thing often after I visited Egypt the first time in March 1998. It was really mind-boggling to see how the Egyptians built such huge temples without the building materials and machinery available today. It's not only the pyramids, but the temples of Abu Simbel and Luxor. The Hatshepsut temple looks contemporary today.

What is the most surprising is how Egypt stopped its growth in science from about 3000 years ago, even though they were far advanced for that time. It makes one wonder what happened to the Egyptians that suddenly stopped their growth. There are two large stone sculptures (statues of Meninon) on the west bank of the Nile in Luxor. They are estimated to weight over 65 tons, and the only place they could have found those stones was on the east side of the Nile. The big mystery now is how did they transport those stones across the Nile? It is believed that those stones probably weighed over 120 tons (2Xs before they were carved out) when they transferred them.
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CarbonSystem
 
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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2006 08:39 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
You don't consider having the likes of Da Vinci, Shakespeare, Charles Dickens, Einstein, to name a few, making any progress?


How do we know they didn't have the likes of great minds similar to those names? Too much information has been destroyed by imperical leaders in the past to really make a good judgement on that.
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flushd
 
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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2006 08:58 pm
Never underestimate the power of slaves.

Any one you want at the tips of your fingers to be used as you wish! Land as far as your eye can see with no one to tell you nay.

Somehow I find it difficult to appreciate the pyramids without pausing at the pure arrogance of it. Arrogance built it. Blood, lives, freedom.

And for what? We are still going over the same ground. Could it be that it wasn't such a great idea after all? We humans do have loser ideas too, not worth the cost.

Regardless, I'd be interested to hear how aliens have entered the theories? Are there any who believe in aliens being part of the deal without a reference to God(s) or religion?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2006 09:25 pm
flushed, I'm not so sure they used slaves to build the pyramids. Where did you get this info? I'm curious, because I heard different.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2006 09:28 pm
flushed, Try this LINK.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2006 09:29 pm
We have no idea how the Pyramids were built. We ASSUME they were built by slaves simply because we could not imagine them being built any other way. There is no proof.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2006 09:31 pm
Even during current conditions, building large structures are dangerous, and men are lost to accidents. They work at these sites knowing the risks. As for arrogance, I'm not in agreement with this description for those who dare to build large structures.
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CarbonSystem
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2006 12:49 am
I believe it's too large of an assumption to say that slaves built the pyramids. The way we first look at solving the problem of "how were the pyramids built?", our reaction is enormous amounts of slave labor, but isn't it possible that the truth goes deeper than that.

As for the aliens existing without religion being involved, that's really an easy thing to say, another life form could have given/supplied knowledge to the Egyptians, and so the knowledge was used to create them, no god or religion involved.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2006 01:14 am
Most civilizations at that time were building pyramids. No one understands why, how or what significance they hold.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2006 12:04 pm
Many old civilazations believed that the sun was god, and the pyrmaids were built to be closer to that god/heaven.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2006 12:26 pm
imo the statues found on easter island provide some interesting insight into how things change over time .
looking at the pyramids from our present point of view may not tell us much about how they were built .
hbg

The Chilling Tale of Easter Island
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About 2,000 miles from the nearest continent, and 1,400 miles from the next closest inhabited isle, lies a tiny chunk of land only 65 square miles in size. It is the most isolated, inhabited place in the world, Easter Island.

When the explorer Jacob Roggeveen found it on April 5, 1722 (Easter day, henceforth the name), the natives, numbering about 2,000, had no idea that other peoples, beside themselves, existed. This is not surprising since the islanders had no boats or canoes capable of crossing the sea. Roggeveen, in his log, described the few craft they had as "bad and frail."

What Roggevenn did find surprising was the presence of 200 haunting stone statues that lined the coast. Some were as high as 33 feet and weighed 82 tons. Abandoned in quarries or along roads were another 700 statues, some 65 feet tall and weighing 270 tons. Roggevenn observed that Easter was a barren island with no timber for scaffolding or plants for making heavy ropes. How could such massive monuments be carved and erected by such a small group of people lacking basic materials?

Many people have pondered the mystery of Easter Island. Erich von Daniken, the Swiss writer, insisted that extraterrestrials had constructed the statues (he also suggested that ancient alien visitors were responsible for the Egyptian pyramids, Nazca lines, etc.). Now archaeologists exploring Easter have pieced together a history that is almost as strange as an alien encounter and perhaps more frightening.

Archaeologists have done this by taking a "core" of the ground under a swamp or pond and looking at the pollen grains found there. Grains are dated by a method known as radiocarbon dating, and the number of grains found indicate how numerous the plant was at that particular time in history. Archaeologists have also examined trash pits left by humans to understand what they were up to during different periods of Easter Island history.

When the first Polynesians landed on Easter Island, around 400 to 700 A.D., what they found was far from a barren land. The Island was a sub-tropical paradise. Thick forests of palm trees covered the hills. Other plants including the hauhau tree, which can be used to make ropes, were also numerous. Seabirds, including the albatross, and boobies, as well as others, used the Island as a nesting place. Porpoises played in the waves.

Archaeologists examining bones found in the trash pits discovered that the main meat diet of these early islanders consisted of the porpoise, which had to be caught well off-shore from heavy canoes, and the seabirds.

With conditions so fine on Easter the human population quickly swelled. Estimates of population range up to 20,000 at its peak. The islanders soon had enough time left over after mere survival to start building the huge statues that cover the island. These were probably erected by rival clans each one wanting to have the largest and most numerous statues as a sign of status and wealth. The island must have been well organized because the resources to build the statues were widely scattered. The best stone for the statues came from one quarry. The rock for the statues'crowns from another, and the tools to work the stone yet from another place on the island. Trade was well developed.

The Islanders started chopping down the palm trees to make rollers and sledges to move the statues. They cut the hauhau trees to make the ropes needed to pull and erect the monuments. By 1400 the palms were well on their way to becoming extinct, and only a few of the hauhau trees survived.

When the last palm was cut down there was no longer the wood to make the heavy canoes needed for long sea voyages or to hunt the porpoises that were an important part of the Islanders diet. With the porpoises gone the people had to turn even more to the seabirds, and then the rats, as a source of food. When they were gone, starvation resulted, the government collapsed and cannibalism appeared. Human bones started to find their way into trash pits.

By the time Roggeveen arrived it was almost all over. There were no living animals on Easter except the humans and a few domesticated chickens. Nothing larger than insects. And over the barren landscape stood the cold, stone statues, the strange proof that a great civilization once must have occupied the island.

What makes this story so frightening? It is a warning tale to all of us. It is quite possible to wreck a closed ecological system by overusing it's resources. It happened on Easter Island and it could happen to our own planet Earth.


source :
...STATUES OF THE EASTER ISLANDS...
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2006 02:54 pm
Thor Heyerdahl, who wrote Kon Tiki, went to the Easter Islands. He asked the natives about the statues. They demonstrated how the carving was done. They stood up one statue. Asked why they hadn't told anybody about this in the past, they replied: "Nobody asked us."
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2006 03:08 pm
edgar :
"never tell unless you are asked ! " . sounds like "rumpole of the bailey" .
the other thing rumpole said was : "don't ask a question unless you know the answer" .
hbg
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Tico
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2006 03:45 pm
The great medieval cathedrals of Europe were built by volunteer labourers, ordinary people who had great faith, under the guidance of master builders and masons. This was done in relatively impoverished lands (impoverished when compared to ancient Egypt), but with the convergence many factors -- newly rediscovered geometry, many seasons of good harvests, a resurgence in religious idealism, a bit of political stability. Given that and what they created, I have no problem believing that ancient Egypt, the richest and most stable society of the world for several millenia, could produce the people who could conceive and build these structures.

And after the last pyramid was built, the land was exhausted, the harvests failed for a time, and the philosophic ideals shifted. The creation and the abandonment of them was neither sudden nor impossible but a testament to what can be done by humankind.*

* without the distractions of email, TV, creative income tax planning, nuclear family life, etc., etc. IMHO
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NickFun
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2006 08:07 pm
There is no question that the Catholic church stifled many great minds and advancements At one time the church nearly ruled Europe.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2006 12:17 pm
I agree with Nickfun.

The opression of curiosity and ingenuity in the mind of man is something we struggle with still in our societies.
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minipb
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2006 03:42 pm
Re: Pyramids- man made or otherwise?
UFOS MADE PYRAMIDS!!


-BR AN K O
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